Butterfly Emergency! Immediate Attention Needed!

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I have a 2.5" Copperband Butterfly that I purchased 1 month ago. Up until 2 days ago, it had been a pig eating frozen mysis shrimp and marine cuisine. However, after a water change two days ago, it has stopped eating.

Currently it is hovering in one spot and hasn't moved in an hour! Its a bit sideways staring at its reflection in the tank. Its face looks a bit gray tinted, and its sunken in under its eyes.

Tankmates inclue an eiblii angel, an algae blenny, various hermit crabs, a cleaner shrimp, and a peppermint shrimp.

My parameters: Temperature: 76.5 F
Salinity level : 1.022-1.023
pH: 8.1
Ammonia: 0
Nitrite: 0
Nitrate: 20 ppm

I'm picking up some bloodworms today to try to get him to eat. Any input on what's going on would be extremely helpful! Thank you!
 
i can't say what is wrong or how to fix it, but i suspect people that can help will need more information.

what is the size of the tank?
how stable are your tank parameters? e.g. are the SG and temps stable or did they fluctuate after the water change (big drop in SG?).
what about phosphates, KH, CA?
do you use tap water or RO/DI water?

just trying to help you get a faster response !!
 
My tank is 30 gallons, but before you flame me, the fish in there are not even juvenile, and their new 55 gallon home is currently cycling.

I don't know what my parameters were before the water change. I know, I know, I made a big mistake by not testing the water before I added it to the tank. I wonder if he's still in shock?

I don't test for phosphates, KH, or CA. I only do the basics, because this is a FOWLR tank.

I've always used tap water and never had a problem before. I use a conditioner though that removes chlorine and chlorimines, then the water is aerated for at least 24 hours before I add it, so there are no traces of ammonia.

Thank you!
 
i really wish i could help you more. i'm hopeful someone on here can.

i just thought i would quickly share a story about tap water. i used half tap and half RO in my FW planted tank for a long time. it had been up and running with the same fish in it for about 2 years. one day, i did my normal water change with just tap because i didn't have any RO water. that happened to be the around the time that something major changed in the water because within 3 days, every fish in the tank was dead and i was at the beginning of the worst algea bloom i've ever seen. i tested the water and the nitrates were off the scale.

anyhow, that could possibly be a cause of the stress if there was some kind of spike in your tap water. it is obviously not nitrates, but there could be some other kind of toxin.

anyhow, i just thought i would offer up some food for thought. i'm profoundly sympathetic to your concnern. i'm in a similar situation right now with a flame hawkfish. i'm trying to get whatever that is stressing him out of the water.
 
That could be it, but I was thinking also maybe cyanide poisoning. The do collect Copperbands with cyanide in many cases, and that makes the stomach quickly deteriorate. But, I want to know the warning signs of this. Hopefully someone else will chime in.

Thank you for your sympathy! I'm sending out good thoughts for your flame hawk as well! Good luck!
 
Update: He is now breathing a bit heavy and has refused the live bloodworms. Keep in mind that everyone else in the tank is doing just fine with no problems whatsoever! Im stunned....
 
Just for a reference in the future. . .By posting your question and concerns and having replies and replies to those replies, it looks like, from the outside that you have gotten help. Until I happened to look at this thread did I realize that you hadn't gotten any help. What I'm saying is that, traditionally, it is best NOT to have a long thread where you're not getting help. Me and others just look for threads to help, where there are no replies. :)

Anyway. . .Copperband Butterflyfishes can vary greatly in acclimation and suitability for aquarium life. They are attractive, but the kind of fish I'd recommend for a seasoned aquarist only. A seasoned aquarist for instance would not have put that size fish in your aquarium; would have realized that water quality was very important to this fish; and would have taken the steps to assure the best diet and nutrition for such fishes (such as found in this post) :)
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=785228

These fish are not tolerant of swift or sudden pH changes. Before you did your water change, did you adjust the pH of the new water to the pH of the tank water?

Not very many fishes are being captured today by the use of cyanide. It's not impossible, but before you come to that conclusion, you need to investigate and learn what waters the fish came from. The only way to conclusively determine that a fish has had cyanide poisoning is through a post mortem examination. I've done dozens. But without this, the next best thing is to determine where and how it may have been caught.

I don't do a lot of alkalinity or calcium testing myself because I have a FOWLR system. But I do check each anyway because I wish to maintain my coralline and other calcareous growths.

The use of tap water is not recommended. The government/source plant that supplies your tap water is allowed to supply a wide range of water quality. Even then, they sometimes exceed contamination boundaries more often then you would think. You could invest in a good deionization and carbon treatment water purification system. Since your tank is the size it is, you might even consider just buying RO/DI water or distilled water for your tank use.

Having said all the above, from the description of your system and your observations, it seems that the fish was sensitive to something that came in with the last water change. Not all fish have the same level of sensitivity when it comes to water quality. So having one fish look bad and die while others live, is not that unusual when it comes to water quality. This is the main reason why this fish is best kept in stable water of the highest purity, with the highest volume (larger tanks) by experienced aquarists. You'll find the 'odd fish' that is mistreated and yet seems to live on and on!

I'd recommend collecting up all the hermit crabs and replacing them with snails. The crabs are omnivores and will eat anything they can get their claws on, including 'sleeping fish.' In the size tank you have, they are too close to the other inhabitants.

As for this fish, the only thing I would suggest doing is an immediate 80%+ water change using distilled water or store-bought RO/DI water to make up your saltwater. Before the change make sure salinity, pH and temperature are the exact same as your display tank water. If this helps in anyway, do this again every day for no less than 4 more days.

IF you see ANY symptoms of disease or conditions, be sure to report them. This would mean the need for a treatment of a different sort.

Good luck!

:rollface:
 
I dont think this has anything to do with my tap water. I've had a seahorse tank up and running for a year now on tap water without any problems whatsoever. I think by doing that large of a water change, it would make him even more stressed out. Do you think it could just be extended shock and he'll eventually come around? Good idea on the crabs though, nasty little buggers. Anything I can do though about his eating?
 
The large water change was to 'shock' the fish into eating. It has worked on numerous occasions. It would also take into a account a bad batch of tap water. It also takes into account an accidental pollution or poisoning of the water which the fish may be sensitive to. It also takes into account a bacterial bloom that might be disturbing the fish (remember, it is a very sensitive fish).

A change of water, if done properly is not a stress adder; it's a stress reliever.

You seem to think that your tap water comes out of the tap the same, day-in and day-out. You can pick and choose which things you'd like to do. :D At this point in time I don't have much encouragement for the return to health of your fish if all you're going to do is remove the crabs.

Good luck! :rollface:
 
But do you think its just in shock? By all means I will do the water change if it's the only way to get it to eat.
 
I was unable to get 24 gallons of distilled water, but I did get 10. I set up a hospital tank and have a filter going. currently the pH and salinity are matched, and I'm waiting for the temperature to go up about 9 degrees. The Copperband is laying completely on his side off and on, so I'm hoping I can beat the clock. I'll keep you updated. Looks like no sleep for me tonight....
 
Well, after a night in the hosipital tank, he is laying on his side, breathes are very shallow and very slow. His body is completely gray where the white areas should be. I'm not very confident in him recovering. Boy, the one time you don't test the water to make sure its the same thats going in the tank, something like this happens. YOu can bet you bingo-card I'll never make that mistake again. Thanks for all of your help Lee. You tried your best and I can honestly say I tried mine...
 
Sorry for the set of circumstances. Why did you move the fish to a hospital tank? Did you see signs of disease?

I don't think the fish was in shock. I wanted to perhaps 'shock' it into eating. This has worked for me on numerous occasions especially when water quality could be an issue.

Don't take this scenario too much as being resolved. The fact is, fish can just die from delayed stress. A fish that was horribly stressed (dropped on the floor, hurt by a net, etc.) can sometimes not show anything wrong for weeks after the event. There is no sure way of telling what went wrong with your fish. There are only our best guesses and the 'probabilities.' Size of tank is not good; and possible water quality issues; may be what we think at best, but still might not be the answer. :(
 
So the fish has died in the hospital tank, but heres the strange thing: I was gone all day today and just now got home, but the entire hospital tank is cloudy white! The filter is gunked up with this strange white nasty stuff and it smells. Could this just have been from the fish decaying? Ew!
 
In the presence of a 'high-enough' bacterial concentration, the decay of dead organisms can be pretty quick.

This is the reason why you'll see in most the literature the recommendation to immediately remove uneaten food AND any dead marine life. In our closed systems, death begets death.
 
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