Camera Question

Magga Pie

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Im thinking about getting the Nikon COOLPIX S610. Heres a link http://www.nikonusa.com/Find-Your-N...OLPIX-S610.html

Theres a place by my house thats having a sale right now and they are selling it for 199.99 and they normally sell it for 329.99

Would this take good pictures of my corals? I used to have an 8 mega pixel camera but it took very poor quality pictures of corals. I dont have the money to put up for one of the dslr cameras.

So any input or advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank you
 
Well any camera can take pictures of corals...but I don't see this one being much better than any other camera. Megapixels are just a number camera companies use to sell more cameras. If this camera was 8 megapixels instead of 10, you would never know the difference. Especially on a camera like this with a tiny sensor and low resolution. Think of it like the drain pipe from your overflow to your sump. This camera would hypothetically have the drainage need of a typical flow 75gal tank much like your own. I don't know what pumps you have so we'll just leave it at that. Lets say a 8mp drain pipe is 1 inch pvc. A 12mp drain pipe is 1 1/2 inch pvc...but do you really need more than 1 inch anyway? This analogy even comes complete with the toilet sound you get when the drain pipe is too big. Your ISO noise only gets worse with more megapixels crammed into a tiny image sensor. Unfortunately the only "durso standpipe" fix is a larger image sensor, which is a direct reason DSLR's are so expensive. Now if Nikon sold another version of that camera, identical accept instead of 10mp it had 15mp and cost an extra $100, people would buy it. It won't help them any on that camera...but when deciding between two cameras, more megapixels make people say, "Oooooo this one, easy decision!".


Sensor size: 1/2.33 " (6.13 x 4.60 mm, 0.28 cm²)
Not good but it was exactly what I expected

ISO speeds: 100, 200, 400, 800, 1600, 3200
This is actually impressive that it has the capability to go all the way to 3200, but it doesn't seem to do a very good job at it.

Lens: 5-20mm (28-112mm in DSLR speak) (4x zoom)
This sounds about right. Zoomed out to 20mm you would see about 1 1/4 what the DSLR guys do. They are usually in the 150-160mm range.

Aperture range: f/2.7 - f/5.8
You can only shoot at f/5.8 @ 20mm though...that really sucks for a reef tank

IS: Yes
That will help

Auto focus: Yes but...it isn't very good at it.
Not a good sign

Manual focus: No
Double Trouble

Normal Focus Range: 50 cm
ouch

Macro Focus Range: 3 cm
That is a little better

Movie Mode: Yes, but its no camcorder
Everyone likes movies!

Modes: Food mode, Smile mode
I don't know what that means but I thought it was funny

Something that really surprised me about the S610 is that it doesn't seem to have live view (you can't look at the big screen on the back). That struck me as odd for this type of camera and I don't necessarily believe it.

Verdict:
This is a cute "out to the bar with friends" camera, it doesn't IMO have what it takes to shoot a reef tank and produce "good" shots of corals, at least not much better than what you already have. But again, you can shoot a reef tank with any camera.
 
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Wow thank you for your response it made me understand much better about cameras and their qualities. I will keep looking then. Thanks again
 
Here are some things to look for:

Sensor: The bigger the better but also the more expensive. With a bigger sensor, that megapixel analogie I used earlier may change from a 75g tank to a 500g tank in reference to how many megapixels are too many. You probably won't get a larger sensor than the camera noted above, so don't worry too much about this.

ISO speeds: This lets you get away with "better" shots in darker conditions. High ISO speeds show film grain (techno-colored dots all over the image). A larger sensor will typically fair better with higher ISO

Aperture: A lower number is a better number. f/2.8 is good, f/5.6 isn't very good. If a camera says the aperture is f/2.8-f/5.6, that means zoomed all the way out (5mm) you can use f/2.8...zoomed all the way in (20mm) f/5.6 is the best you can do (so zoomed all the way in probably won't be a good choice on a reef tank). I realize you don't know what those numbers really mean but just remember lower is better. Finding a non DSLR camera like this will be...difficult at best. Heck most of the DSLR lenses are plagued with this physics problem.

Auto focus: Just about every camera has auto focus so this is a tough call. Other than goggling it, it would be hard to tell if the AF is decant or not so much.

Manual focus: I would try to find a camera that can do this.

Manual mode: You don't want a fully automatic camera for a reef tank. There are too many variables. Try to find a camera that has (Nikon) A, S, P, M as settings or (Canon) Av, Tv, P, M. With a little old fashioned knowledge, these will give you some control over what the camera is doing.

Uncompressed format: The basic term for this is "RAW". This would be as opposed to compressed formats such as "JPEG" or "TIFF". The camera above could only shoot JPEG, try to find one that shoots RAW as well.

Tripod: That's right, I said it.
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Okay that is the basics to look for as I see it. I am a Canon man and a little bias, but it is what I know and understand. Here are some Canon cameras that could do well with a reef IMO.

Canon Powershot G10
This one may be a bit out of your price range, but unlike the DSLR there aren't $1000s worth of lenses to buy on top. A DSLR is going to be the best option for a reef tank, but I think this little gem is next in line. You could pinch some pennys by looking for a used G9 or G8 or heck even a G7, now a great-grandpa, is still better than most others.

Canon Powershot SX10 IS
One of our members recently bought this camera and was less than thrilled. If you take the time to understand the camera I am confident that it is capable.

Canon Powershot SX1 IS
Or, if you really like Movies, this version is similar but instead of a rare for Canon CCD sensor, it has the traditional CMOS and can also shoot HD movies.

Canon EOS-1Ds Mk III
Haha just kidding.

Canon PowerShot A650 IS
This one seems to cover all the bases.
 
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Ooops sorry didnt realize what I had put
Its the cannon powershot SD790 IS I can get it for a pretty good price after thanksgiving
 
Canon Powershot SX10 IS
One of our members recently bought this camera and was less than thrilled. If you take the time to understand the camera I am confident that it is capable.

Can you elaborate a little bit more? Are you saying he wasn't happy with it. I went to best buy today and really liked this camera especially the 20x zoom feature. Instead of paying 400 I would pay 300 because my friend works there and get discounts.
 
I think that part of the problem related to lack of user experience and the learning curve with the camera. The 20x zoom isn't much use for coral/tank photos. You might want to check out the flash re-cycle time: my Canon P&S (a different model) takes up to 5 secs to re-charge the flash during which time the camera is unable to take any picture, even without flash :( The lack of a RAW file format is unfortunate but common with P&S cameras.

If you take the time to learn how to use the camera, learn basic exposure and focusing skills and the skills needed to get good tank photos, I would expect that camera to do just fine. It's quite new but seems to be receiving good reviews on the photography fora. The limiting factor in getting good photos will most likely be the user's skills, not the camera.
 
i just recently got a canon rebel xsi, and it's a 12 mp camera. you would have better luck with more megal pixels then the COOLPIX, which has 8 mp.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13831241#post13831241 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ecpierce
i just recently got a canon rebel xsi, and it's a 12 mp camera. you would have better luck with more megal pixels then the COOLPIX, which has 8 mp.

Yeah that's just...not true. The Rebel will give him better abilities to be sure, but mega pixles have very little to do with it.
 
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