Can't get rid of flukes...Prazi didn't work
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BrickFishHouse
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For what it's worth...
Only one of the tanks I work with have had success with PraziPro.
One of my colleagues swears by it.
I'm in the freshwater dip school. 100% full recovery when caught early. 75% when caught not so early. Nearly 50% when it was "dead fish swimming."
Hope this helps some.
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Only one of the tanks I work with have had success with PraziPro.
One of my colleagues swears by it.
I'm in the freshwater dip school. 100% full recovery when caught early. 75% when caught not so early. Nearly 50% when it was "dead fish swimming."
Hope this helps some.
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One research has shown praziquantel eliminated 100% flukes at 20ppm, which is 8 times more concentrated than the standard Prazipro dosage. This can be a clue on why flukes were not killed in my aquarium. However, I'm not yet sure if 20ppm is safe to go with fish.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2761.1990.tb00797.x/abstract
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2761.1990.tb00797.x/abstract
48HRS UPDATE:
No signs of adult flukes dropping. I will keep a high dose of PZQ until my paraguard arrives. I will switch to using Paraguard to kill larvae (not effective against adults) and eventually drive the population out of this system by preventing reinfection. I will open up another thread just to log the treatment. So far I'm very disappointed that prazi did not work. Although there is no evidence that the strain is PZQ resistant, there is enough evidence that at the current concentration the adults are not killed by PZQ therefore they may continue to lay eggs. I do not know if that's the case for larve. However several research articles did point out that PZQ was not able to eliminate all the flukes in the system, while FW dipping was more effective against skin flukes. However gill flukes may require hyposalinity treatment, which is much more gentle than FW dipping but it also significantly delays the hatching time of eggs, making them a time bomb that explodes when the salinity is increased back to 35ppm, which makes the hyposalinity treatment useless unless all the fish are removed after treatment and the tank kept fallow for 10 -14 days at 26C, 35ppm (eggs hatch in 7-8 days with larvae's longevity around 20 hours at this temp & salinity).
No signs of adult flukes dropping. I will keep a high dose of PZQ until my paraguard arrives. I will switch to using Paraguard to kill larvae (not effective against adults) and eventually drive the population out of this system by preventing reinfection. I will open up another thread just to log the treatment. So far I'm very disappointed that prazi did not work. Although there is no evidence that the strain is PZQ resistant, there is enough evidence that at the current concentration the adults are not killed by PZQ therefore they may continue to lay eggs. I do not know if that's the case for larve. However several research articles did point out that PZQ was not able to eliminate all the flukes in the system, while FW dipping was more effective against skin flukes. However gill flukes may require hyposalinity treatment, which is much more gentle than FW dipping but it also significantly delays the hatching time of eggs, making them a time bomb that explodes when the salinity is increased back to 35ppm, which makes the hyposalinity treatment useless unless all the fish are removed after treatment and the tank kept fallow for 10 -14 days at 26C, 35ppm (eggs hatch in 7-8 days with larvae's longevity around 20 hours at this temp & salinity).
Hii every one.. I have a 115 gallon and I looked today at my fish when I got home from work and I noticed some white dots I recently just added a wrasse and he looked clean and thought he was but guess not.. I don't have a quarantine tank.. I have a few shrimp and don't want to kill them by putting copper in.. any 1 have some suggestions??????
Which is totally unrelated to this thread. Start your own thread for best results.
Dmorty217
Saltwater Addict
What ended up happening with this? 20ppm is extreme but if your going to try it I would on one fish first, then the rest. I would be buying some bulk Praziquantel powder
Used high dosage of PZQ. No signs of relief. I'm on Paraguard right now and so far it hasn't done anything to reduce that white thing. I collected some of them and cut fin fragment to look under microscope and found nothing. I failed to see any flukes nor ich. I don't know what to do next and I'm extremely tired and irritated by this.
By just observation in FW bath, the parasites seem to be under the skin/inside the skin and the white things may be slime.
My next step is to do a hyposalinity test on the DT. If hypo works I will probably remove the fish from DT and do hypo somewhere else, raise SG of DT back to normal and let eggs hatch and then I put the fish back. But at this point I have no clue. Also the parasites are very specific the only fish showing signs are all tangs and moorish idol. No signs on angel, firefish, wrasse, filefish, and goby.
True. And I haven't been able to visually see any flukes for quite a while now. It's making me increasingly thinking it's ich. I've had ich before but this doesn't quite look like ich either. It's very strange.
LobsterOfJustice
Recovering Detritophobe
Have you tried formalin dips?
I'm dealing with something similar, but not exactly the same. I think I did have an original fluke issue, but with repeated treatments the issue did not completely resolve. Now I'm seeing what I guess are a few ich spots here and there, along with opaque/cloudy blotches, which I originally thought were skin flukes until nothing came off in a FW dip.
Now I'm doing TTM on all the fish to eliminate ich as a possibility. Also doing formalin dips and antibiotic (NFG) during the course of TTM. Maybe it's just because I'm paying more attention, but I think theres something nasty circulating in the hobby... seeing a lot of reports of flukes, prazi-resistant flukes, and unknown issues.
I'm dealing with something similar, but not exactly the same. I think I did have an original fluke issue, but with repeated treatments the issue did not completely resolve. Now I'm seeing what I guess are a few ich spots here and there, along with opaque/cloudy blotches, which I originally thought were skin flukes until nothing came off in a FW dip.
Now I'm doing TTM on all the fish to eliminate ich as a possibility. Also doing formalin dips and antibiotic (NFG) during the course of TTM. Maybe it's just because I'm paying more attention, but I think theres something nasty circulating in the hobby... seeing a lot of reports of flukes, prazi-resistant flukes, and unknown issues.
