jmaneyapanda
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Please provide the source of the information.
Captive Bred Yellow Tangs
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Please provide the source of the information.
Go to Reef Hobbyist magazine, on their website it will show you the issues, got to bottom left Volume 4 issue 1. I believe it starts on page 16, they talk about a few that were bred in home aquariums. Further into the magazine they talk about the collector/breeder. Although he is not mentioned as the breeder in this article he is in fact the breeder the article is about. Peter something, I forgot his last name. But he was selling these fish from his home in the UK for 2000-4000 a fish.
jmaneyapanda
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Um, I dont see anywhere where it says they were bred in the home aquarium. In fact, in this page:
they only allude that flames may be available soon. Please show me where you are finding that Peter bred them, and sold them for 2000-4000 each. I just cant find it.
they only allude that flames may be available soon. Please show me where you are finding that Peter bred them, and sold them for 2000-4000 each. I just cant find it.
2nd paragraph, about 2/3rds down it says in plain view. "There have been a few succesful captive breedings of these angels. And if you read further into the magazine like I said around page 20 or so it mentions Peter. The info I have on him breeding and selling them is from another Mgazine that I'm looking for. I have a lot of magazines and articles boxed up and I know this article on selling them is almost 10-12 years old so it will take me awhile to find the exact article. But it does indeed say above in the second article that they were bred in captivity and the Flames are captive raised not bred.
copps
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The only successful captive spawning and raising of Centropyge to sellable size has been in Hawaii. Three institutions independently raised flame angels oddly enough... and two of those ONLY did a few flame angels... the great Frank Baensch of RCT was the first to do Centropyge in 2001 and the only to do more than one species (he did nine species and one hybrid, including the resplendens).
Peter had a wild group of resplendens in England and never raised any... unfortunately he's since lost that amazing group! The only access to Ascension is through military flights from England (unless going by boat).
Copps
Peter had a wild group of resplendens in England and never raised any... unfortunately he's since lost that amazing group! The only access to Ascension is through military flights from England (unless going by boat).
Copps
I have to find that other article that has them published, I saw it years ago and I remember the article saying he raised and sold some of them. I do not remember the entire article, but I do remember that part because it was groundbreaking and the hobby then was not as well known as now. And this website didn't even exist then.
jmaneyapanda
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Hey man, not to sound abrupt, but you're wrong.You're making assumptions and deductions that arent correct. As John said, he had a wonderful collection, but he didnt successfully breed them.
copps
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You may be mixing things up... a few years back Frank's work was profiled in the Journal of Heredity, and Peter's picture was actually on the cover for that article. I can assure you Peter did not raise resplendens... I got his amazing resplendens story straight from him, but none of it involves raising them...
jmaneyapanda
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Yeah. By RCT. Which many have already said.
copps
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It will be a long time before we see captive bred yellow tangs also unfortunately... these are collected and exported by the thousands out of Kona each week and are BY FAR the #1 export for the aquarium trade from Hawaii... add up the numbers of #2 through #20 on the species list and it would still not equal the number of yellows. Fortunately for Hawaiian collectors, yellow tangs are only found in great numbers in Hawaii... if Hawaii never rose out of the ocean yellow tangs would be a very expensive tang! 
Also, I'm curious to know how long a facility has to keep a wild specimen before it's considered "tank raised".
Also, I'm curious to know how long a facility has to keep a wild specimen before it's considered "tank raised".
It does not mention RTC, that is what you and Copps said. I need to find that article. And the part of tank raised? i have no clue what determines what they mean tank raised. I have heard some say from larval stage and others say from juvenile stages. I guess it depends on which collector/exporter you talk to.
jmaneyapanda
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Actually, Tim (TCM), Myslef, and Copps, all said RCT has done it. The article does not mention it, but it has been mentioned here several times.
I would love to see an article stating that others have done it. Until I do, and the source can be verified, I will have to insist that it hasnt, IMO.
As for tank raised, I have no clue as to how this is determined. To be honest, I would go based off of the supplier. If its a company with a a solid repuattion and the data and "proof" to back it up, excellent. If it s a source that refuses to reveal anything- nope. JMHO.
TampaReefer79
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Hey jmaneyapanda...do you know if dwarf angels have been tank bred yet?
copps
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Frank Baensch of RCT is well known in the hobby and the scientific communtiy as being the first to successfully spawn and raise angels in captivity in 2001 (not just by us here on RC). Is it possible that someone did it before him? Yes (minutely)... but there was nothing published on it as the scientific community would have known... and you are saying this was done before reefcentral existed which would be back into the 90s well before Frank.
jmaneyapanda
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Hey jmaneyapanda...do you know if dwarf angels have been tank bred yet?
Yes. By me, in my bathtub. But I will provide no pictures, data, or other information.
So because it was done by someone else and before this site that means it didn't happen right? What did you say when you first heard of other fish being bred in Captivity? Did you say nope impossible as well? I'm not sure of the exact date this site started but I believe it was in the late 90's as in 98 or 99, so the guy who did breed them would have had almost a decade to do so. I mean most of the people in this hobby today have learned from mistakes and efforts made by poeple who had marine/reef tanks for years and years. I don't care what you say but you can not replace experience, no matter how much you read. Owning a reef tank for over 16 years now, I have experienced alot that othere members haven't and I was around when things were still infantile. And I really need to find those articles on that angel.
I have provided some material for you that clearly states they have been bred in captivity, while it leaves out a name and place it does confirm Captive Breed angels. You just don't know how to read I guess. And as I stated I have to look through a ton of magazines and articles I have that are packed in boxes. It's like finding a needle in a haystack and I'm not gonna spend all my time looking for this article. When I find it, I will post it.
TampaReefer79
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I can't believe this is 60 posts long, the last 45 being the same thing over and over...but I'll go back to my point way back when: If it has happened, the RC community would know about it. No doubt about it. All it takes is ONE person to find something out and it would spread like wildfire here.
jmaneyapanda
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Post it. And I'll admit I was wrong, if indeed there is confirmation. Until then, you're the only person that thinks it's true.
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