Carlso63's 225 Reef Build Thread!

STEP 5 - Plumbing the Overflow and Sump (Part II)


I left off having almost all of the in-tank plumbing completed for the overflow, return and sump. I added my 4 return outlet "nozzles" on Friday. They measure 1/2" in diameter each and only go below the waterline about 1 inch - so there is not much hardware to be seen inside the tank at all (which I think is a good thing)... Here is a shot of a couple of the nozzles; you can barely make them out at the top rear of the tank (sorry about the reflections):

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Next, I set up the 2 overflow pipes to flow into the left side of the sump. I put a ball valve on each one so I can control the flow rate of each Durso pipe indivdually. Then I placed the skimmer and return pump in and that's pretty much it - just have to add in a "baffle" to regulate the water level on the skimmer side. I'll get to that sooner or later; probably just use a 2nd smaller Rubbermaid tote to act as a "container" for the skimmer...

Here's a shot of how I hooked up the dual overflow discharges, one to the front and one to the rear of the sump:

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The ball valves will control each standpipe individually and I'll throw a filter sock on each of the discharges:

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Here's where the return pump is hooked up to the piping:

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Here's a full shot of the completed sump and plumbing:

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My return is an Ocean runner 3500. Accodring to the Aquamedic site I will still get around 675 - 750 gph out of it even @ 5.5 feet of head (I am running a little over 5 feet) so that would mean around 3X total water volume turnover / hour through the sump - and that's about what I am looking for. My 3 Korallias alone will net me over 10X total volume turnover so I think I am good on flow. I would actually like the display to be a little less "chaotic" in terms of current than my 125g is now so that some of my LPS would open up a bit more than they do now.

I also ordered a float valve setup for auto top-off purposes and a refill for my DI resin cartridge. Right now I have to manually fill up a 5 gal reservior that sits on top of my entertainment center and runs a drip line into the sump of my 125. There have been a couple of times where I turned my RO / DI on to fill the reservior and forgot to shut it off - needless to say the missus was not pleased to find water dripping down the stereo and soggy carpet in the area ... And even though my Ebay RO / DI unit is still giving me output water with a TDS of only 1 - 3 ppm, I figured once I actually go to make the 250+ gallons of SW for this setup it wouldn't hurt to change out the resin as it has been running for a year now...I already have a set of replacement prefilters for the RO / DI unit; I'll change them out at the same time as well. I am also going to run the water line into the basement and then back up behind the tank so that no one has to step over it anymore.


Let me go work on that skimmer tote now... :D
 
On Saturday I added the skimmer "compartment" to the sump... Basically, a tote within a tote. Here are a couple of shots so you get the idea:

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This one shows the opening where the water will leave the inner compartment into the rest of the sump... The basic idea is that the water level in the skimmer compartment has to rise to the level of the exit opening in order to escape; this means that with a steady flow of incoming water from the overflow pipes the water level inside the skimmer compartment will always be at the exact level of the exit opening - in cases of evaporation loss the water level will fluctuate in the outside compartment rather than the inner compartment:

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BTW the height on that exit starts at 10 inches from the bottom - the recommended water level height for this Octopus Skimmer. I figure to run the rest of the sump right around the same height and plumb my RO/DI topoff right into the sump; in fact, my float valve came in the mail Saturday (and I only ordered it Thursday afternoon - man, that's fast service ) along with the replacement DI resin I ordered... I'm thinking of relocating my RO / DI from under the kitchen sink to inside that nice "end table" / storage table that came with the tank... there is a water line almost right under the tank in the basement so I can just hook up a needle valve and drill like a 5/16" hole in the floor behind the table for the water line to come up into the living room. That'll put an end to manual topoff fill ups and running the water line from under the sink and through the kitchen and den...

So, long story short, it looks like I'm just a couple of heaters away from the fill up now.

Thinking of going with these Hydor models:

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+3743+11368&pcatid=11368

What I like about these - beside the design - is they come in up to 400w models... right now I have (2) 300w heaters in the sump of my 125g... so I figure (2) 400w heaters should keep things nice and toasty in the 225g all year long...

Whaddya think?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12380593#post12380593 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by racksteris
Have you instal any bubble trap in you sump? Looks like you skimmer is draining right next too your return pump..

Not yet... I will probably put up some sort of divider or screen to help with the micro bubbles. I also plan to put a ton of chaeo in the space between where the skimmer water flows out and where the return pump sits... it may not look like it in the pics but there is close to 2 feet of empty sump space between the skimmer and that pump...
 
I ordered my 400w Hydor submersible heaters today (2 of them) and I went with ThatFishPlace over Foster&Smiths because they were 50 cents cheaper at FishPlace (hey, a buck is a buck :lol: )

They should get here by the weekend (I hope)

I also got a 200g bucket of salt from a local reefer for only $35. I still have maybe 1/4 bucket of reef Crystals left in the closet (40 g worth?)...so I have enough for at least the initial fill up.


And I figured what I would do is once the heaters arrive I'll start to fill the display up with Ro/DI up to the overflow line, but leave the sump empty and just open up the drain valves on the Durso's. Throw in my heaters and a powerhead or 2, and mix up the SW. Once that is ready, salinity / temp / pH correct and sits for a day or 2 then I'll start adding in the LR from the 125... as the LR goes in, the water level should rise and the excess water will go into the overflow and down into the sump.

Once all the LR is in I'll just fill the sump the rest of the way using some tank water from the 125 to make up the difference; like "seeding" the 225 with LR and "live water" from the 125 - and I'll put maybe 20 lbs of LS from the 125 into the "fuge" section of my sump, and maybe a few cups of LS into the display as well, all to help "seed" the new sandbed in the 225.

Once that is all done I can turn on the skimmer and return pumps, move over the Korallias and turn them on, move over the lighting, unplug the heaters and place them in the sump instead of in the display, siphon out most of the remaining water in the 125 so it is easier to catch the fish in there, and then move all the fish and corals to the 225 (acclimating them first, of course)

From there I just let everything in the 225 settle down while I spend the rest of the day tearing down the 125...

That's basically the plan.

And, if my heaters get here by Friday I may start this all on Saturday... :D
 
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12391785#post12391785 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by plyr58
No wet test of the plumbing?

I guess I could pour a few gallons of water into the overflow to make sure the bulkheads don't leak... that's probably the main thing I would worry about as far as plumbing leaks...

Other than that, I don't think any of the rest of the plumbing will leak. Besides, for the rest I don't see how I could test it without filling up the tank first.

Any suggestions on how?
 
Put some water in the sump and pump it through to the returns a few gallons should show a lak on the return side. Put some water in your overflow to check the bulkheads. If they don't leak, fill the overflow more and then pull out the dursos to check the drain lines. I would have leak tested before putting sand in though, but if you are confident, I guess that checking the bulkheads would be sufficient. I know that putting bulkheads in a used tank can be a pain in the keister, bc 1 grain of sand under the gasket can cause a leak. It is a PITA.
 
Makes sense... thanks

Not worried about sand under the bulkhead gaskets because I'm 100% sure I didn't get any sand inside the overflow when I added it - the clearance between the top of the overflow and the top brace of the tank is only like 1/4 of an inch and there would be no other way for sand to get inside the overflow other than through that opening... plus I visually checked inside the overflow for any sand or dirt before I put the tank up on the stand so there's nothing in there from the previous set up.

But I'll do the water testing anyway as a leaky bulkhead sitting in 225 g of water is no fun...
 
Hi Carlso63

I'd think about one heater in the display on a different GFI circut, than both in the sump. better to have one working than both off in the sump. I have arranged my set up, with my return & CL pumps on seperate circuts, alternating with my heaters.
A ground probe in the display & sump is also recomended.

Call Me Crazy, but I try to keep "MURPHYS LAW" in sight.
He dosen"t win as much latley & I like that !!
:D

Steve

:smokin:
 
FedEx says heaters won't arrive until Tuesday, April 29 so I have done a little retooling of how I'm going to do the transfer from the 125 to the 225...

A)Day One (Saturday) Fill the 225 halfway with new SW. Let it run with heaters and powerheads for a couple of days to get temp / salinity / pH / etc to match the environment in the 125. Pull (1) 300 w heater out of the 125 sump and place inside the half-filled 225 to get the temp up to around 77F. I figure the 1 heater should be able to handle approx 100g of water on it's own..
After first 24 hrs gently scoop out maybe 10 lbs of LS from the 125 display and add to the 225 display to "seed" the sandbed. Maybe add some "water change" water from the 125 at this time as well to "seed" the NSW in the 225.

B) Then (all on the 3rd day):

1) Turn off all pumps, filters, heaters in the 125. Transfer the 30g of 125 sump water + maybe 75g of 125 display water to the 225 to fill it to the top.Leave the sump empty but open the overflow ball valves to allow excess water displaced by the addition of LR to enter the sump, rather than overflow the tank and flood the floor

2) Transfer all the LR from the 125 to the 225

3) Fill up the 225 sump with another maybe 20 -30g of 125 display water. Remove another 20 lb of LS from the 125 and place in the fuge portion of the 225 sump. Once sump water clears up (from adding the sand) start up the return pump, skimmer, etc

4) Transfer the Korallias from the 125 to the 225 and start them up

4) Remove all corals from the 125 and transfer to the 225

5) Remove the 9 fish from the 125 and transfer to the 225

6) Transfer the lighting from the 125 to the 225 but leave them off for the rest of the day

7) Let the 225 settle down while I dismantle the remainder of the 125 (sumps, filtration, remove the other 200 lbs of live sand, etc

Right now I am of the mindset that following this plan should not result in any noticeable "spike" since I would be adding established live sand and a large quantity of established live rock - not to mention more than 50% of the total water volume would be "live" water - all to offset a very light bioload in terms of only 9 small fish in probably 235g of total water volume...

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I also stopped by HD and picked up a needle valve to hook up my RO/DI unit with; there is a water line running almost directly under the tank in the basement, and a wastewater pipe maybe 3 feet away - so I think I will relocate my RO / DI right inside that storage table that came with the tank set up. I think I will hang it almost to the bottom of that table, and then make an eggcrate "shelf" to put my MH ballasts on above it. This way should the RO / DI ever leak there would be no possibility of wetting / frying the ballasts...I'll probably install a fan to keep the ballasts cool in there as well.

I also have to make yet another trip to HD to pick up some GFCIs for the outlets near the tank. I'll also get new, better power strips as I really want to avoid the usual "tangled plug syndrome" and am going to put some real thought and effort into laying out the wiring of all the hardware as professionally as possible this time

Tomorrow (Friday) I won't be able to get anything done, but the missus is going away this weekend - so I am looking forward to getting alot accomplished on Saturday; starting with plumbing the RO / DI in the new locale and (hopefully) ending the weekend with the tank half filled with NSW and me figuring out which day next week will be the actual "Moving Day"

So, that's where we are at as of tonight :D
 
Well, today I got to work -

I cleaned up my RO/DI unit and replaced the prefilters (it's been a year now) and added a 2nd DI canister

All in preparation to fill the tank, of course...

Here is a shot of the unit under my kitchen sink:

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Input TDS is just a bit over 200ppm:

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Output is "0", of course :D :

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Ended up running the output line into the basement, across the house, then up behind the tank. Started filling at 12:40 PM... it's now 11 hours later; I filled the overflow to check the plumbing for leaks...needed to tighten up 1 of the bulkheads another quarter-turn, otherwise all is OK...then I filled the sump with about 5 inches of water to test the return plumbing... works great and I still had considerable water pressure at all 4 discharge points - even running against over 5 feet of head.

But the display water line has not even reached up high enough to cover the sandbed yet... I'll need to let it run overnight or else this sucker is never gonna get filled !!!

:lol:
 
Update:

So as of around 10AM this morning I had gotten the tank about half-filled with RO / DI water, added salt, and put in a couple of powerheads to mix it all up:

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Water temp read 61 F... heaters supposed to be coming tomorrow. The water is cloudy in the pic because I snapped it (literally) right after adding the salt - it wasn't fully mixed in yet, and you can still see salt on top of the sandbed...

Steve:

I will be putting both heaters in the sump but I do like your advice about using different circuits; I happen to have 2 both close to the tank locale; so I will put one heater on one and the other on the 2nd to avoid losing both should the circuit trip :D


Tomorrow I expect to install the heaters (in the half-filled tank for now) and start raising the temp up to the desired 76 - 78 F; then I will check and adjust the salinity to match the 1.0255 in the 125g, pH to around 8.1, dKH to around 10...

Once all that is set, then I will (gently) scoop out about 10 lb or so of LS from the 125g and (gently) place it on the 225g sandbed to "seed" it... I've found using a large funnel and some vinyl tubing to 'slide' the sand down to the bed is a good way to keep down the 'debris cloud' inside the tank...


;)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12391810#post12391810 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by plyr58
Put some water in the sump and pump it through to the returns a few gallons should show a lak on the return side. Put some water in your overflow to check the bulkheads. If they don't leak, fill the overflow more and then pull out the dursos to check the drain lines. I would have leak tested before putting sand in though, but if you are confident, I guess that checking the bulkheads would be sufficient. I know that putting bulkheads in a used tank can be a pain in the keister, bc 1 grain of sand under the gasket can cause a leak. It is a PITA.

When I did my leak testing on Saturday I did have a very very slight leak in 1 of the bulkheads; gave it an extra quarter-turn with a wrench and it seems to have done the trick...

I first filled the overflow to check the bulkheads, dursos, and the overflow plumbing (kept the ball vales shut to let the pipes all fill and pressurize) and other than above everything else was leak free :) ... next, I filled the sump about 5 inches and turn on the Oceanrunner... plenty of pressure at each of the 4 discharge stations and no leaks, either :) :) ... then I just put the water line in the tank and waited, waited, waited...

But thanks for the advice - if you hadn't of asked I probably would have overlooked it!

:D
 
Just got an email notification from FedEx:



Apr 28, 2008 6:50 PM

Arrived at FedEx location

NORTH SALT LAKE, UT




That means I get my heaters tomorrow - cool :cool:
 
Looking good,
taggin along.
Man free coral sand and Rock you sure are lucky to live there.
 
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Thanks for the compliments, guys :D

Yeah, access to the free rock / sand is great especially on tanks this size... I used 320 lbs of sand and will have about 250 lbs of rock total - how much would that have cost from a LFS? :hmm2:

Anyway, today my friends at ThatFishPlace and FedEx did not disappoint - my heaters arrived:

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800 watts of pure heating power :lol: and they did a great job wrapping them with a ton of bubble wrap and a bunch of those air "pillows", too...

Here's a shot taken this afternoon of the tank... you can see the heaters on each end (they will be getting relocated to the sump after the final setup is completed) and the tank has cleared up nicely since mixing in the salt yesterday:

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When I plugged the heaters in the water temp read 64.5 F; 2 hours later it was already up to 68.7... I set the heaters to 79 F (the top dial is calibrated with the settings) and figure the temp should stabilize by tomorrow morning... then I'll just check and adjust the salinity, pH, dkH, do an ammo test just to be sure there isn't any - and then I'll take maybe 10 lbs of LS from my well - established 125g and use it to "seed" the sandbed in the 225g...

:D
 
Hey Jeff :D

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(Actually, worldwide...!)

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