Clownfish Inbreeding

[Dan]

nigripes. Possible hybrid?

nigripes. Possible hybrid?

How about it? Using leucokranos as a model......it is a very nervous, hyperactive species. It does not ship well due to stress. It is a cross between a Clarkii complex and a Skunk complex, yet it outwardly resembles a skunk complex species (anatomically it may have chrysopterus features, but I have never dissected one to check). Immunity? Many folks report it to get disease readily. Also, parents have overlapping geographical location.

Back to nigripes.....it has black anal and pelvic fins, similar to omanensis. The overall color is that dull orangeish-brown. Gets disease easily. Very nervous and stresses easily. Geographical location of omanensis very near to akallopisos.....Clarkii complex with skunk complex yielding a skunky looking hybrid.......Hmmm......

Dan

P.S. I am using nervousness as a phenotypic measure of genetic weakness (boldness being the opposite). Immunity would be better, but who wants to infect some leuks on purpose? This is just my own speculation I throw out there for your perusal. Have fun.

 

[Javeo]

if its a hybrid why would it be given a species name? or is a hybrid with a strong wild population?

 

[Dwarfpufferfish]

Hey Javeo,
So are you saying that if a clown hybrid is far more capable of living in captivity than pure species, we should just continue to rape the reefs of the clowns and kill the hybirds???

You are arguing this like we are breeding hybrids to release into the wild. Most reefers on this board are no where near an ocean.

I think that hybrids are great for the reef keeping hobby. If you want to be a zoo keeper, be a zoo keeper. Let us hobbiest enjoy our "mutants"!

 

[Dan]

A hybrid is a cross between species. It will, therefore, become a new species, since it will have anatomical characteristics of both parents.

Inbreeding is simply crossing closely related specimens, usually siblings or parents and offspring. This means within a species.

Nothing should be released into the wild. Not hybrids nor pure species.

Dan

 

[MarinaP]

if its a hybrid why would it be given a species name? or is a hybrid with a strong wild population?

It is usually a good idea to research the subject you are arguing against.

 

[Javeo]

Im just more of a conservationist then you i guess. i think its better to preserve the natural form of things. Im the kind of person who buys green budgerigars, altum angels and wild-brown coloured rabbits!
Hybrids may be great now, but what if in a few years the only pure bred ocellaris clowns you can buy are wild caught? i know im taking an extreme example, just illustrating a point, but nothing is beyond the realms of possibility

Marina
im not really aware of every single clownfish species in existance. I only asked if it was a hybrid with a large wild population.

Dan
I dont think a hybrid becomes a new species that easily. They have to form a seperate viable breeding population, that doesnt rely on other species hybridisng to add to their numbers. Hybrids will also vary in their genotype and phenotype within the same generation, this is not the case with a true species

 

[thecoralreef]

I think if you have 2 different clowns breeding the offspring will be a crossbreed, once the crossbreed reproduces you then have a hybrid clownfish. Some cross breeds will not reproduce, for instance a mule.

 

[Javeo]

This was supposed to be about INBREEDING

 

[thecoralreef]

Your so right..............but I think that question was answered and has venturede in another direction by the looks of things.

 

[Javeo]

oh well

 

[Dan]

Javeo - I was keeping it simple. Yes, there are many other factors, but generally that's how it starts.

I think I'll move my proposition to new post. It does diverge from this topic. Jesusfreak316 just got me thinking.

To all folks- comments on nigripes being a hybrid, please move to other post. http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=696309
I look forward to your insights. Thanks.

Dan

 

[Javeo]

I do apologise dear

 

[Dan]

You can call me dear. Just don't call me late for supper.

Dan

 

[Snarkys]

good thread lol