Coincidence? Kalk and nuisance algae.

edsbeaker

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Began dosing kalkwasser in my ATO to maintain alk and ca about 2 weeks ago. Dosing 1 tsp. oer gallon of Rodi. Within a few days developed a nasty population of diatoms and cyano. Is it just a coincidence or is there some connection between dosing Kalk and such outbreaks. My pH range also went from 8.1-8.3 to 8.3-8.45. Just trying to figure this all out so that i can fix it.
Thanks
 
Using kalk water to maintain your alk and calcium should not have an effect on diatom and algae growth. Diatom growth is usually attributed to an influx of silicates. New tanks will have diatom blooms since there is higher levels of silicate present in a new system. After that, diatom blooms can occur from using tap water or waiting too long to change the DI filter. DI filters will hold silicate loosely and when the TDS rises above zero, will release silicate suddenly and in large quantities. This will cause diatom blooms.
 
Using kalk water to maintain your alk and calcium should not have an effect on diatom and algae growth. Diatom growth is usually attributed to an influx of silicates. New tanks will have diatom blooms since there is higher levels of silicate present in a new system. After that, diatom blooms can occur from using tap water or waiting too long to change the DI filter. DI filters will hold silicate loosely and when the TDS rises above zero, will release silicate suddenly and in large quantities. This will cause diatom blooms.

Thanks,
I just wanted to eliminate any possible causes so that I can narrow it down and figure what is causing this.
It is still a newer tank, about 8 months old, although about half of the live rock is from my upgrade to this tank, maybe it is just still finding the balance. My TDS meter is reading zero, and I recently changed the filters in my RODI filters so I doubt it's that. Could easily be a bit of overfeeding, I could use a larger CUC, or just that the tank still needs time to stabilize. Thanks.
 
This is a list I put together for algae control:

There are a lot of hobbyists in your same position. Reducing your nitrate and phosphate levels to a zero reading will help in getting rid of many type of algae pests. IME, reducing nitrate and phosphate levels too low can kill or cause problems for many types of coral. Running GAC & GFO will all help in reducing the growth of these type of pests. In many cases they will not eradicate the pest. Vodka dosing will help reduce the nitrate and phosphate levels also, but will not necessarily eradicate the pest either.

A common problem is being able to identify your pest to a category correctly: true algae, cyano, dino, bacteria & other assorted pests that look similar. In many cases a micro look at your pest is best to properly ID it to one of these categories.

IMHO, if you are faced with an algal type pest problem, it is best to implement an algae pest control program strategy:


1) Wet skimming with a good quality skimmer. Clean your skimmer cup at least once per week.

2) Reduce your nitrates and phosphates to a zero reading using the hobby grade test kits. See Randy's articles regarding this:

Phosphate and the Reef Aquarium
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2006-09/rhf/index.php

Nitrate in the Reef Aquarium
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/august2003/chem.htm

3) Proper lighting. I find that the higher wavelength bulbs are less conducive to algae growth. I now run 20,000 K bulbs from using 10,000 K bulbs.

4) Proper day length is a good thing also. I would not run your lights for more than 12 hrs total. Keep in mind that light entering from a window nearby is added to this figure.

5) Running GAC is a good practice in my book. It will help reduce the total dissolved organic carbons in your tank water and this is a food source.

6) Proper 30% per month total water changes will help export the DOC as well as some of the pests in the water column. It will help maintain the micro-nutrients as well.

7) Physical removal of the pest by hand, scrubbing and siphoning is important as well. If the amount of pest in your aquarium is overwhelming, perhaps dealing with one section at a time is a better idea.

8) Proper water circulation in your tank to prevent dead zones. When dealing with cyanobacteria pests increasing the flow where it grows seems to help.

9) Use RODI water for all top-off, salt mixing, additive mixes... etc.

10) Dosing iron may have benefits for macro-algae, but if you are experiencing algae pest problems than I would stop dosing it as it can add to the problem in many cases.

11) If you are dosing other supplements such as vitamins, amino acids, or others that contain a mix of supplements other than the basic alk., calcium and magnesium, I would stop these until you gain control of your pest. This includes many of the store bought products with unknown ingredients. Dosing Vodka or sugar to reduce your nitrates and phosphates would be an exception in my opinion.

12) Proper feeding habits. This can be the number one problem when trying to reduce your nitrate and phosphate levels. Use low phosphate fish foods.

13) IMHO, lighted refugiums may be a problem when trying to deal with an algae type pest problem. They are wonderful when it comes to reducing nitrates and phosphates. However, the light over most refugiums is conducive to the microalgae type pests. If the refugium becomes infested with a microalgae pest, I would clean it throughly of all pests as best as possible, remove the macro and turn off the lights until you gain control of your pest. Re-using the same macroalgae later may serve as a source for re-infestation of your pest.

14) Adding fish and other creatures that will eat your algae pest will help.

15) Running a diatom filter which has been suggested by Boomer, makes a lot of sense to me. It will help remove a lot of organic material in your water column.

16) For some additional thoughts regarding switching an algae based system to a bacterial based system see this thread:
(Using a carbon source with appropriate bacterial dosing may possibly help to push your system to where you want it although this is controversial.)

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1781320

17) There are other items that can be added to this list if others care too share and some of the items listed may be disputed.
 
Thanks,
I saw that a few days ago and am following it. Most everything on there I have been doing from the start. Light bulbs ar brand new, weekly 10% water changes. I've been skimming more dry, but I will change to a wet skim.
The one thing that I recently changed that hopefully will help is I switched over to the high capacity GFO and ROX 0.8 carbon. According to the BRS reef calculator, even by filling my reactor to the top, I wasn't using enough GFO.

Do you think a diatom filter is worth having? I have considered this because I do have a lot of particles suspended in the wter column. I've tried a filter sock, but that hasn't helped much.
 
I agree with Cliff , the kalk has no discerniable relationship to nuisance algae growth. I have, however,perhaps coincentally, seen algae reduce at higher alk levels in my system.
 
Do you think a diatom filter is worth having? I have considered this because I do have a lot of particles suspended in the wter column. I've tried a filter sock, but that hasn't helped much.

Yes, I believe it can help to reduce the organics suspended in your water. ;)
 
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