Common Misconceptions In the Hobby

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10644803#post10644803 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by MiddletonMark
Well, many of my corals come from Fiji, as is common throughout the hobby in the U.S.

At least according to Walt Smith in Fiji, the reefs there average more in the mid 70's for most of the year.
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=5089918#post5089918
[and, he notes numerous issues with higher temps causing bleaching/death].

Personally, given his history, I discount many things said by Shimek .... esp when someone involved in the coral collection disagrees. If I'm betting with someone on this, I'd go with the guy in Fiji vs. the guy in Montana.

First, I'd trust the university of the south pacific more than i'd trust walt smith's thermometer.


IIRC, when he spoke at Imac last year, he talked about having different areas, some in the 70s, some in the 80s, and not really losing corals till they hit the 90s. (and no one is saying 90s are good)


I dont get what people's issue with Shimek is. He got in a fight with Bomber ( and didnt everyone?), and that was pretty much it, other than being kind of curmudgeony. I've never seen any problems with the integrity of his work.

If you have a problem with his numbers, post other information, dont take jabs at him
 
Here's a nighttime SST (sea surface temperature) chart for December 1998. Notice the dark orange-red color in the Indo-Pacific. Remember, 30C = 86F. Looks like most of that area is around 87F for the month of December 1998.

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That's from an old archived link that I stored a long time ago. I'm sure there's more recent data available online if you want to search for it.
 
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Hey all, Capn asked me to post this here from another thread. Maybe you can help clear this up.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10645295#post10645295 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Linkblaze
It's always been my understanding that pH probes need to be kept in a medium that is near the pH of the electrode or it will dry out and need to be replaced. As far as I know this is always glass, but I suppose it could be made of something else. In the lab that's how we keep it.

However, I did some searching and came up with this:

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-ph-meter.htm

" Many aquarists use pH meters in lieu of liquid testing. The probe can be placed permanently in an aquarium sump and the meter, mounted inside the aquarium stand or on a nearby wall. Freshwater cichlids and saltwater fish require alkaline water, while African Nile fish thrive in acidic freshwater. In an aquarium, pH fluctuation can cause illness or death to fish, so monitoring pH closely is paramount."

So, what you're doing is correct, according to that website. Why, I don't know.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10645414#post10645414 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by RichConley

I dont get what people's issue with Shimek is, other than being kind of curmudgeony. I've never seen any problems with the integrity of his work.

If you have a problem with his numbers, post other information, dont take jabs at him

curmudgeony isnt the word for it. i asked him a while back if he could show me the reference that said pyram snails wont go from clams to snails or snails to clams because i had only found 1 reference that only looked at one species, and i had talked to many people who said they had experienced it, and he called me and the other people i talk to "stupid" and said that "that's just the way it is". then i asked someone who had better resources then i did and they found this http://www.biolbull.org/cgi/reprint/157/2/320
it tells a little bit of a different story.

and then there this artfully crafted story http://www.dtplankton.com/articles/necessity.html

from it- " Tridacna and Hippopus clams have symbiotic zooxanthellae located in their blood"

Ooh really:lol: i guess he's never heard of the zooxanthellae tubular system? that whole article is full of holes. read it and then double check the references he listed
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10645922#post10645922 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mbbuna


and then there this artfully crafted story http://www.dtplankton.com/articles/necessity.html

from it- " Tridacna and Hippopus clams have symbiotic zooxanthellae located in their blood"

Ooh really:lol: i guess he's never heard of the zooxanthellae tubular system? that whole article is full of holes. read it and then double check the references he listed

You took that partial quote out of context. Here is the complete quote in context:

"As reef aquarists are aware, Tridacna and Hippopus clams have symbiotic zooxanthellae located in their blood, as well as in mantle and associated with their digestive glands. Probably as a result of natural selection to maximize mantle volume, and hence increase the number of zooxanthellae carried in it, tridacnids have undergone quite an extensive modification of the basic clam structures."


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My favorite Shimeck "ism" is that astreas lack a "righting reflex" .....whatever that is:rolleyes:

Lots more examples if you look Rich.

Lots of people had arguements/debates with Bomber....only a few took their toys and went home....including Bomber.

Chris
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10645992#post10645992 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by RichConley
FWIW, I dont trust ANYTHING I read on DT's site.
The article was commissioned by Dennis Tagrin but written by Ron Shimek. It explains the feeding processes of Tridacna clams.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10646141#post10646141 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by fishdoc11
My favorite Shimeck "ism" is that astreas lack a "righting reflex" .....whatever that is:rolleyes:

If you google "righting reflex in snails" you will get 681 hits. That should help you understand what it is.

:D
 
OK, so some of you guys don't like Ron Shimek's advice on reef aquarium husbandry. Fine. To each his own. But it's really a stretch to attack the guy on molluscan biology when that's his Ph.D. field.
 
Capn, good luck to your Son N Law and your daughter.
I wish them a speedy safe home.
I don't really come from a military background just a two year stint with one of them in Nam and Cambodia. Although I was a Sgt. in Nam I am a boat Capt. in civilian life. But I make my living as an electrician.
As for water temp, I diden't bring a thermometer with me but I dove quite a few times in The South Pacific including the Great Barrier Reef, Hawaii and Tahiti. The water seemed very warm to me, warmer than the Caribbean. I really can't say if it was in the eightees but I think it was. The next time I go I will look at the dive computer, The temp is on it.
All of the rock in my reef was dead dry rock. I collected it in the Caribbean but I bleached it to bring home. In those days there was no live rock in tanks. The rest of my rock is cement and since my nitrates are always zero I guess it works.
Have a great day.
Paul
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10646214#post10646214 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Ninong
If you google "righting reflex in snails" you will get 681 hits. That should help you understand what it is.

:D

Sorry I meant to say whatever that means.....Astreas right themselves just fine on most substrates, just not on fine sand:D
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10646163#post10646163 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Ninong
The article was commissioned by Dennis Tagrin but written by Ron Shimek. It explains the feeding processes of Tridacna clams.

Right, and it says that Tridacna need to be fed phyto, which is absolutely false.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10646237#post10646237 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Ninong
OK, so some of you guys don't like Ron Shimek's advice on reef aquarium husbandry. Fine. To each his own. But it's really a stretch to attack the guy on molluscan biology when that's his Ph.D. field.


Ok I'll stop.....it's not nice and I should have shut up before I even started.

Ok another misconception:

Aquarists have to rinse everything in RO/DI water and not tap water.

I actually know a very good LFS that does this. I commend them for their effort but IMO it's totally unnecessary.

Chris
 
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10630142#post10630142 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by pledosophy
31 or so

Base rock will become liverock in a few months

I say myth busted.

The anaerobic bacteria that is housed within tradition live rock will take years and even decades to grow in base rock. The anaerobes don't like oxygen and are not often found floating in the water column so they have no way of entering the rock which is quickly covered by the aerobic bacteria. I never believed this myself, even after I read the study, until i cracked open a piece of base rock that was in my tank for a bit over 5 years to find it void of anearobic bacteria as compared to a piece of rock that was imported with a coral attached which had a large population of the bacteria.
JME

This is not a myth and is very true. I'd like to know how you expected to see bacteria when you cracked open the rock? Do you see bacteria on the outside of the rock? How do you expect to see bacteria in the first place?

Obviously you need a microscope, patience and many, many slides and samples to come to any type of reasonable results.

Even if you did not find any bacteria in the rock does not mean anything anyway. Your tank will only require so much bacteria and the rest will die off. No food, no bacteria. In someone else's tank it could be filled with bacteria especially in systems will low volumes of subtrate or rock. This is survival of the fittest in action.

Carlo
 
Aquaculture studies show that baby Tridacna clams that are fed live phytoplankton grow faster and have higher survival rates than those in a control group raised in a sterile environment.

Tridacna clams can survive without phytoplankton. They do better with it, especially when young.

In their natural environment, juvenile Tridacna clams get as much as 40% of their nutrition from filtering. This percentage decreases with age until it drops to less than 5% in mature clams.
 
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More misconceptions:

1) SPS have to be kept under metal halide lighting.

Not true... flourescent lighting, especially with the emergence of T5's, is a very good alternative. Especially if you want to save on heat and the power bill.

2) SPS can't be kept under VHO lighting.

Not true. While VHO's are no longer considered "state of the art" they are definately a usable lightning source that can produce good growth rates and excellent color of out of a good # of SPS species including lots of different types of Acropora.

3) You have to have a calcium reactor to keep SPS.

Again not true. 2 part solutions will work even on very large tanks. With the introduction of Randy's homemade recipe it also no longer costs an arm and a leg to do this. The cost is in fact comparable to a Ca reactor if not cheaper for many. I have also seen several nice mainly stony tanks supplimented with kalk alone. While this doesn't work for very heavily stocked tanks it can work well in ones that aren't.

Chris
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10645112#post10645112 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by fishdoc11
Am I the only one that finds it odd they wear 3 - 5 mil suits when the average looks to be in the mid 80's and drysuits when the average looks to be in the mid to upper 70's?
I would be burning up!

Not after an hour at about 30-50 in depth. That 80 deg water will get cold.
 
I was searching online to see if I could find that aquaculture study on baby T. maxima clams that showed that the growth rate and survival rate was substantially higher in a hatchery fed with live phytoplankton than it was in a control hatchery with no feeding of any kind but I didn't find it.

However, I did come across something interesting. Baby gigas clams get as much as 65% of their nutrition from filter feeding, falling off to 34% when they reach 10g dry weight. I guess that's still in line with the 40% figure one of the leading clam hobby experts uses because the 65% figure is for really, really tiny clams.

"Giant clams of the family Tridacnidae are familiar and conspicuous residents of shallow coral reefs throughout much of the tropical Indo-Pacific. Their most characteristic feature is the enlarged, upwardly directed and usually brightly coloured mantle, which is packed with symbiotic dinoflagellate zooxanthellae. An estimated 95% of the carbon fixed by these algal symbionts is translocated to the host (Fitt 1993, Klumpp & Griffiths 1994), where it normally provides sufficient energy to cover at least the immediate metabolic needs of the hosts (Tench et al. 1981, Fisher et al. 1985, Mingna 1988, Klumpp & Griffiths 1999).

"Giant clams are also able to filter food particles from the water column (Yonge 1936), although the nutritional significance of this has only recently been quantified. Fitt et al. (1986) first quantified ingestion and digestion of C14-labelled phytoplankton cells by Tridacna gigas, while Klump et al. (1992) showed that particulate food constituted 65% of carbon needs in small (0.1g dry tissue) T. gigas, declining to 34% in individuals of 10g weight. This capacity to exploit both heterotrophic and autotrophic sources of nutrition, plus an ability to divert an unusually high proportion of energy to growth (Klumpp et.al. 1992), are no doubt factors that have allowed T. gigas to become the largest bivalve ever to have existed."

Reference
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10646858#post10646858 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by virginiadiver69
Not after an hour at about 30-50 in depth. That 80 deg water will get cold.

FWIW I can easily spend an hour in 73 with a 3 mil. I'll get a little cold but not much.....and that's not even using much energy, mainly using a frog kick. I prefer swim trunks in 80 but in the ocean I'll wear something just for brushing up against stuff. My main reason for making that comment is that it seems colder than what the graph suggests but maybe that's just what I see.

Chris
 
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