Conspiculatus Galore

triggerfish1976

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I have noticed a big influx of Conspic. Angels lately. I count 4 sites that currently have them for sale and I know of a few other non-internet based companies that have them as well. They are also mostly med. to small specimans which is rare as well. Is there finally more than one person importing these fish?
 
If you have the room and the right tank for them I would get one while you can. I hear that Aussie waters are closing down to inverts and wonder if the fish are to follow.
 
I heard the same thing. That also might explain why so many Aussie corals are flooding the market as well. Trying to get as much out as possible for everything is shut down.:)
 
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I've seen quite a few of the deep water fishes coming out the last 3 months: borbonius, bandit, conspic, clarion, colin's, venustus, declivis but didn't see that many tinkers.

This is the time to buy if you still have any stimulus refund left. :)
 
Oz is not closing down....and clarions are shallow water.
I am dealing with them every day and this is news to them.
They are always closed to imported inverts though and one guy went to jail for importing ...er smuggling cleaner shrimp.
Steve
 
There was recently alot of chatter about impoertatio restriction from Australia, about nthe same time as the temporary embargo on Tonga. Both have been resolved as far as I know. FWIW, I dont think it was fish, but stonies (which are regulated by CITES). At least I know thats true of the Tonga debacle.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12693918#post12693918 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by cortez marine
Oz is not closing down....and clarions are shallow water.
I am dealing with them every day and this is news to them.
They are always closed to imported inverts though and one guy went to jail for importing ...er smuggling cleaner shrimp.
Steve

"What are you in for?"....."Smuggling Cleaner Shrimp...You?"

Would be nice to see the price dropping on the Clarions and Conspics even more...The Golden Heart Trigger (which is not exactly a fish many people should keep) has seen a huge decrease in price in the last year. They were like a grand a year ago, I am seeing them for $150 now.
 
Golden hearts live off the pier in Accra, Ghana and are widespread, convenient, produced by competitors, abundant, legal, easy and saturated their own markets as quickly and foolishly as they could.
Plus, their initial high price was driven by speculation and ambition and not based on initially high prices and costs.
Clarions are the opposite in most every way.
Steve
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12699884#post12699884 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by cortez marine
Golden hearts live off the pier in Accra, Ghana and are widespread, convenient, produced by competitors, abundant, legal, easy and saturated their own markets as quickly and foolishly as they could.
Plus, their initial high price was driven by speculation and ambition and not based on initially high prices and costs.
Clarions are the opposite in most every way.
Steve

Correct me if i'm wrong please, but my understanding is Clarions are every bit as prevelant as Passers and Cortez Angels?? Just more restricted?
 
there used to be a boat down in San Diego were i work fishing for tuna that smuggled clarions and he said they were prevalent and did it untill the other boat that did it got busted
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12700058#post12700058 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kirkaz
Correct me if i'm wrong please, but my understanding is Clarions are every bit as prevelant as Passers and Cortez Angels?? Just more restricted?

Do a search for Clarion Angels on fishbase.org to see their range, then search for a map which shows the location of the Revillagigedos Islands
 
It is VERY far we, used to fish cow tuna there and if there is a storm you have no cover the islands are just really rock pinnacles sticking out from the ocean floor
 
Guys,
Despite the conventional wisdom on this....the clarions have nice populations on the "clarion coast" from Cabo to Mag bay and if you all promise to keep this a secret....the islands and seamounts off Mag Bay as well.
Plus, we have found clarion hybrids as far North as Loreto in the Gulf of California.
El Nino years bring them on like gangbusters in some years.
Before Cabo Pulmo became a tourist reserve...I caught 45 of them there in one week.
Fish Base is in need of updates all the time of course as things become better understood.
Steve
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12702615#post12702615 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by cortez marine
Guys,
Despite the conventional wisdom on this....the clarions have nice populations on the "clarion coast" from Cabo to Mag bay and if you all promise to keep this a secret....the islands and seamounts off Mag Bay as well.
Plus, we have found clarion hybrids as far North as Loreto in the Gulf of California.
El Nino years bring them on like gangbusters in some years.
Before Cabo Pulmo became a tourist reserve...I caught 45 of them there in one week.
Fish Base is in need of updates all the time of course as things become better understood.
Steve

??? If they are not as restricted in locale as broadcasted, does Mexico still govern all collection? Why dont we see more?
 
bureaucratic stress and mindless, endless paperwork

bureaucratic stress and mindless, endless paperwork

The permit process out of Mexico is...in a word, inexplicable.
If you are of a logical mind, you will never understand it.
As of now, clarions are legal for the one permit still viable but protected by a 6 month hurricane season that keeps everyone close to home. The permit will end as the hurricane season does.
Still, there will be some here and there from other places thruout the range which is bigger then anyone knew before.
Starfish, hawkfish, wrasses, puffers and another common 100 species are right now illegal....as they are governed by the other permitting agency who has simply taken their time to make the permits.
Once, we recieved a permit the week it expired as it took the whole year to render it after approved. Then, after that final week , it took another 6 months to get back online again..!

Divers and partners suffer and die thru the years of waiting for permits to come thru.
I have had close to 15 permits thru the years but they get harder and harder to procure as the bureacracy marches to its own music. Various government bodies must be sheparded to align and sign off on all this.

In the years we do without permits, we lose momentum, gear, depreciated equipment etc.
Divers have to work elsewhere and biologists and managers have to be funded to keep up the fight for the permits. Thousands and thousands are spent every year wether we ship or not fighting for the permits in this chaotic and unpredictable environment.
There are no normal people in this process as only crazy people stick thru it to the sometimes pleasant end.
Usually however, we are alone with no support as until the permits come thru, we are desperate and irrelevant.
I only wish my last partner Arturo could have been here for this years fruitfull events....as I said, he died of bureacratic stress and chronic, mindless, endless politics and paperwork.
He helped to enable the current success.
Steve
 
Steve:

tell me how you really feel....:D

I understand what you are saying. I also deal with importing/exporting wildlife, and understand that permitting processes (not only internationally, but also domestically) can be more trouble than it is worth frequently.
 
To answer your question. There are two direct importers of Conspiculatus angels in the USA. Has been since September of last year.

Jack
 
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