Cooking live rock to kill hair algae?

That wasn't my walkthrough, as I said ,I lifted it from another thread and the credit goes to SeanT.
SeanT posted it again, rightly, as his method as described by a reefer no longer here. I guess he didn't see the one I posted in his name.
Sorry Sean.
FWIW I "cooked" my rock a few months ago and was happy with the results.
 
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I have learned this from this thread. The true word of cooking that is.And i never reccomened either or. Im in here alot if you can tell from number of replys and it took till this point to learn this. Like i say your always learning. And its not my opinon that cooking your LR on the stove is bad. Also dont understand why you would want to cook them for hair algea to only add to tank and get hair algea again. Your a little rough and helping us understand is what this is all about. I never guess and always have something to back up my reply so it could be my source.
Well ill take this with a grain of salt and say Thank You.
Also large amounts of phosphates would mean your tanks not healthy so i agree.


<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12649563#post12649563 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by SeanT
demonsp,
PLEASE stop spreading disimformation or giving your "opinion" to others as fact when it clearly is incorrect.
This type of dangerous trend can influence others down a bad road. :(

"Cooking" has NOTHING to do with heat, simple research would have cleared this up.

"Cooking" your rock is EXTREMELY beneficial to all skill levels of reefers as it removes a huge portion of stored phosphates in the rock.

A tank full of hair algae IS a sign of an unhealthy tank in reefkeeping terms.

High levels of phosphates fuel algal growth.
High levels of phosphates INHIBIT the calcification of corals such as LPS and LPS.

Thank you,
Sean

P.S. Sorry to everyone for the late reply, I work at a nightclub and just got home.
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12654108#post12654108 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by demonsp
I have learned this from this thread. The true word of cooking that is.And i never reccomened either or. Im in here alot if you can tell from number of replys and it took till this point to learn this. Like i say your always learning. And its not my opinon that cooking your LR on the stove is bad. Also dont understand why you would want to cook them for hair algea to only add to tank and get hair algea again. Your a little rough and helping us understand is what this is all about. I never guess and always have something to back up my reply so it could be my source.
Well ill take this with a grain of salt and say Thank You.
Also large amounts of phosphates would mean your tanks not healthy so i agree.
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Excellent answer Lance--and so very true--the more you post the more you learn:smokin:
 
IMO telling others to cook for hairalgea is mis information. This doesnt cure the problem. I dont think cooking your way or anyway for the total elimination of hair algea will work. If you can find the source and fix it then your getting a better understanding of how it all works.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12654257#post12654257 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by demonsp
IMO telling others to cook for hairalgea is mis information. This doesnt cure the problem. I dont think cooking your way or anyway for the total elimination of hair algea will work. If you can find the source and fix it then your getting a better understanding of how it all works.
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I happen to agree with you but this is one issue that is preference related so it not a discussion or debate that is winnable;)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12649487#post12649487 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by demonsp
This is a 500 gallon tank?
Whats used for water flow?
Whats the water source?
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This is a 500-gal tank ... water movemet is provided through 4 x Tunze 6100's on a 7095 controller, a Vortex, and an OM 8-Way driven by a Sequence Hammerhead. Flow is somewhere in the vacinity of 60x :D

Water source is clean NSW ... we are very fortunate to have a very clean supply. Top ups are done with RO/DI and cartridges are changed when TDS out is >5ppm.

Skimmer is a 4-1/2' recirculating twin beckett :smokin:

Don't worry, I've been through this whole process of trying to nail down the source so many times :mixed:

Tone :bum:
 
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12653034#post12653034 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by chucksta1
Anecdotal observations from..... ME!..

I had no hair algae for over ywo years, suddenly, from outa nowhere!!! Bam! Hair algae from another dimension!! I test for phosphates.... 0.000 ppm.. My R.O. tests out at 4 TDS, so I know that the problem CAN'T be the water source, so where the heck is the algae getting the fuel from?? Then I see a post about and and the guy claims that the hair algae will cause the test to read 0.00 ppm on the phosphates because it's already getting bound up in the hair algae... Suddenly, the light comes on and I head to the "bat cave" to check the water BEFORE I put it in the tank.... Wouldn't cha know it!! Phosphates in the make up water!! Donning my cape and rolling an 18 for a spell of enchantment, I head off to surf the net for an answer. Finally I order a D/I unit to add to my RO And a phosphate reactor and media. Now it seems the local municipality, in another desperate attempt for global domination here in the new milennium, had been adding phosphates to the water, as it helps stop the pipes from rusting, so three gallons a day of phosphate laden water had been the fuel source for the hair algae..

I loaded up the phosphate reactor with media and could see the results within three days. The hair algae went from green to brown and started receeding, just like my hairline only way quicker! I tried and tried to figure out how to tell when it was saturated. At least the resin in the D/I unit had the common courtesy to change colour when it was done, but then it dawned on me that when the algae stopped receeding, it meant that the media should be changed!! Whoo Hoo! it's working!!

That's my story and I'm sticking to it! It seems to me that the phosphate media out absorbs the algae and the algae dies. As long as I change the media often enough to match the phosphate leeching back from the rocks...........
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Sounds good to me, Chuck! Never too old to learn a new trick in this hobby, so I'll try that out to and see what happens.

A side story ... years ago when I was still running a 3' nano :) the water turned brown and despite whatever I did, it always came back to brown. So one day after much derision from my fellow reefers, I plumbed in a UV filter and the water went crystal clear in 6 hours. Since then I have always run a UV filter ... but alas, in this case it hasn't helped eradicate my Bryopsis.

Tone :bum:
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12654887#post12654887 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tonyf
This is a 500-gal tank ... water movemet is provided through 4 x Tunze 6100's on a 7095 controller, a Vortex, and an OM 8-Way driven by a Sequence Hammerhead. Flow is somewhere in the vacinity of 60x :D

Water source is clean NSW ... we are very fortunate to have a very clean supply. Top ups are done with RO/DI and cartridges are changed when TDS out is >5ppm.

Skimmer is a 4-1/2' recirculating twin beckett :smokin:

Don't worry, I've been through this whole process of trying to nail down the source so many times :mixed:

Tone :bum:
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Just curious as to your source of "clean" sea water.
In a number of posts reefers like your self that live so close to the ocean and stated that is not a good idea just to dip the bucket in the ocean when questioned if they can just go down to the seashore and fill buckets for their tank,
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12654257#post12654257 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by demonsp
IMO telling others to cook for hairalgea is mis information. This doesnt cure the problem. I dont think cooking your way or anyway for the total elimination of hair algea will work. If you can find the source and fix it then your getting a better understanding of how it all works.
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I agree that's what I was trying to say, though I was a little harsh. Obviously if somebody wants to do this in their system they can, but it really is not a good idea and doesn't do anything about the basic problem causing the hair algae.

It's not even like this big debate, sort of just ignorance. I have heard people discussing this locally and quoting this website as the source of info about cooking rocks.

If you fixed the problem in your system you could be rid of the algae in 3 or 4 weeks tops with the help of a grazer fish, but then there would be no algae and you would have to start feeding the bastard.:frog:
 
how would purging rock of detritus and bound phosphates be a bad thing? "cooking" in a dark tub for a matter of time as described by Greg T(i believe) and again by Sean T, will dislodge detritus from in the rock and free bound phosphate from the rock due to bacterial turgor. algae is alot easier to keep at bay when u start with rock thats not saturated with po4. how can u try to argue that?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12654108#post12654108 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by demonsp
And its not my opinon that cooking your LR on the stove is bad.
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What? :confused:
This method has nothing to do with stoves or heat.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12654257#post12654257 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by demonsp
IMO telling others to cook for hairalgea is mis information. This doesnt cure the problem. I dont think cooking your way or anyway for the total elimination of hair algea will work. If you can find the source and fix it then your getting a better understanding of how it all works.
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Actually this DOES cure the problem by removing the PO4 bound in your rock.
As time goes by and a reefer practices bad husbandry then the results can end up the same.

But THIS IS FINDING THE SOURCE AND FIXING IT.
I am amazed that you can not understand that...amazed and saddened. :(
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12655606#post12655606 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jankytomato
I agree that's what I was trying to say, though I was a little harsh. Obviously if somebody wants to do this in their system they can, but it really is not a good idea and doesn't do anything about the basic problem causing the hair algae.
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This is completely wrong.
This goes to the MOST BASIC problems causing h.a. and eliminates it.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12655606#post12655606 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jankytomato
It's not even like this big debate, sort of just ignorance. I have heard people discussing this locally and quoting this website as the source of info about cooking rocks.
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You are DEAD ON right about their being a lot of ignorance around here.
You don't understand the proven method and have dug your heels in the ground. :rolleyes:
 
So if the problem was caused by poor feeding habits or poor water source and or inproper flow methods and or improper CUC or, ect.. then cooking the rock only gives false hope and removeing the rock would kick up debris possibly adding the the problem. I dont think we have enough information to say this alone would solve this.
Also never heard the term cooking used for anything other then on a stove and still looking for a link or helpfull info on the fact it doesnt mean on the stove.
I do understand fixing it and is the only thing ive been trying to help with. Asking about flow and other specs and never getting a strait answer. I guess you didnt read all the replys. I agree I agree.


<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12655946#post12655946 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by SeanT
Actually this DOES cure the problem by removing the PO4 bound in your rock.
As time goes by and a reefer practices bad husbandry then the results can end up the same.

But THIS IS FINDING THE SOURCE AND FIXING IT.
I am amazed that you can not understand that...amazed and saddened. :(
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Gentlemen---can't we agree that you can cure your rock in your tank or you can cure it separate from your tank.
Waterkeeper deals with these methods in his May column in ReefKeeping Magazine

Similarily can't we agree that there are many ways with dealing with phosphates from phosban reactors to cooking the rock.
This is a viable alternative along with the other methods---its up to the reefer to decide what path to chose.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12657516#post12657516 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by demonsp
So if the problem was caused by poor feeding habits or poor water source and or inproper flow methods and or improper CUC or, ect.. then cooking the rock only gives false hope
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The problem with this thinking is that most rock is already loaded with PO4.
There are many reefers who underffed and still have bryopsis.
"Cooking" the rock lets the hobbyist have a fresh start.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12657516#post12657516 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by demonsp
Also never heard the term cooking used for anything other then on a stove and still looking for a link or helpfull info on the fact it doesnt mean on the stove.
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You have heard of a different meaning now then haven't you. :)

I have posted the instructions.
Would you like me to post links to my original threads as well?
 
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