Coral Tank from Canada (1350gal Display Tank)

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Mr Wilson you ask about water flow in peters tank,my 180 gal reef has 4,ooo gal per hour.
Ralph

That would put your tank at 22 x the volume per hour. Peter's tank is acrylic which is substantially stronger at the (1" - 1.5") seams than glass and his flow is about 7.5 x the volume of the tank (10,000 GPH).

The five pumps go from 50% power to 90% every 15 minutes offset from each other for one minute, but this still keeps flow under 10 x the volume of the tank. The L shape takes the stress out of end to end waves, but as I stated earlier, there is no wave effect in the tank.

I was talking to the Tunze rep for America at MACNA and he said that Tunzes position on wave devices is they shorten the life of a glass aquarium by 10-15%. That means a tank that should last 20 years will only last 17 and a poorly built tank will give you problems sooner than later.

I've seen some wave box tanks, but I don't like the effect it creates. The "waves" look too mechanical. There is no random sway like you see in nature. It looks like you are watching a mechanical tank. From a biology standpoint, corals will collect food in a set pattern from two equal directions so corals will not grow with natural random shapes. The human eye looks for patterns, it's human nature. These patterns can be distracting rather than relaxing.
 
In intro of Corals is great news. Supporting the local Reef Stores is a great idea too. I'm a loyal ORG (Oakville Reef Gallery) customer and 90% of the corals on my reef are from ORG.

I'm not sure if this is allowed but here's the post to a local forum thread that I started. I had a fellow SPS fanatic take a few pics of my tank. This pictures a little blue but this will give you on idea of what you can find locally.

http://www.aquariumpros.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=41737

As you know Mr.Willson this store is minutes away. I hope i don't get in trouble for the post I just haven't had time to create a thread on Reef Central Yet.

Yes, I have known Tom for about 16 years. He used to buy fish and corals from me when I had the wholesale business and in exchange he fixed my car back when he was a mechanic.

I bought a T5 lamp for Peter's tank from ORG if that helps :)
 
When you were at MACNA it took over and hour for you to get your meal and allso to many LED lights were there,to bad that there was not more pumps.
 
Mr. Wilson, is there alternating currents, or just ramping of flow from different ports at different time intervals.

We have a more or less circular flow with water travelling along the substrate form each end to the middle of the tank at the 90˚ bend. When it hits the bend there are four 45˚ elbows that direct the water up to the surface. The water is then picked up by the three jets near the surface and sent back down to the end overflows to complete the circle.

There is a two port reverse direction manifold near the bend in the on each length of the tank. The intension was to use these two (double) manifolds to reverse the direction of the water sporadically. We will probably run these at 30% to improve efficiency through the UV sterilizers and mechanical filter cartridge that is plumbed into this pump. Every 15 - 30 minutes it will go up to 90 - 100%. For now it's on the 15 minutes at 50%, 1 minute at 90% schedule offset from the others.

It's actually more complicated than that, because each of the five pumps is on a 11, 12, 13, 14 or 15 minute cycle with 1 minute at the higher flow rate. We will play with it more once corals are in place. We are worried about knocking stuff over and delivering food gently.
 
Yes please do, and while you are at it bring back some Epo putty so I can get this
XXXX cube aquascaped!;)

Not until I get rid of the 288 packs I already have :)

I'll buy some!! :) PM me the prices, etc!

I'll buy some as well, send me a PM, heck, i'll even drive up to get it! I'm in western Mass, it would make for a great weekend trip :)


Me too!!!

I'll buy some as well!

mr. Wilson, if your serious then I'm seriously excited. the Bro's Grimm said it was all gone and I have had no luck getting a response from the distributor. I NEED EPO PUTTY!! Where do I send the money?

Mr. Wilson does have a room full of the EPO putty. In an agreement with me and in keeping with the RC forum policy he is not allowed to actively solicit business in this thread. To date, I believe Mr. Wilson has kept that agreement and in fact has demonstrated a cultural best practice for someone who is a supplier of services to this community by actively sharing information and not actively marketing his business interests in the process. This is a very difficult road for any servicing practitioner to follow and I applaud his principles in this regard. The members of this thread need to know that the information they are getting are free from commercial bias and I believe Mr. Wilson has done this to a fault.

I would strongly urge anyone who wants to engage Mr. Wilson at any level to PM him on the back channel and keep those conversations one on one. Personally I would like Mr. Wilson succeed in his business aspirations as I personally know him to be an honest and forthright individual with the highest standards of personal integrity. His assistance to me in this build and open attitude to helping others in this thread is a huge asset that this community wants to vigorously protect. So by all means please use Mr. Wilson as a supplier of product or services but do it away from the thread.

Now all Mr. Wilson has to do is clean up his inbox!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry for the rant but this build has a long way to go yet and I absolutely want to continue to share this forum with Mr. Wilson to everyones benefit.

and speaking of long way to go, Mr. Wilson has been focusing on a number of milestones which for the greater part have been more or less out of the public view. At the outset of this build and with Mr. Wilson's formal joining of the project team we decided NOT to post truly negative experiences with product or services suppliers and I think we have kept that promise. I can tell you that there have been moments along the way where it's been extremely difficult to refrain from making a few comments. This thread was born with a pledge to create and maintain a positive culture that would pursue and promote best practices in all its endevours. It is not that we want to present an unbalanced view and I think we have shared our progress "warts and all' fairly and objectively in that regard.

Hopefully soon you will join us in seeing some of the progress we have been making in the background. We are still assessing lighting strategies. This tank canopy is large by typical tank standards. I believe that what we finally end up with will be innovative and beneficial for many in this hobby. Although it is taking a long time to find the right solution I believe that it will be worth it. The questions we are asking now have been improved greatly since we started this whole lighting expedition so hopefully it will be resolved soon.

I am very, very pleased with the chapter on pumps and flow. From the beginning I wanted to achieve 'managed chaos' in the tank and that, thanks to Mr. Wilson's perseverance has been achieved. In fact I am very pleased to say that we now have the ability to exceed a reasonable flow virtually on demand anywhere we want in the tank. We have actually tempered the flow as we think it will be too excessive for the animal live in the tank when we start to populate it (soon, I hope). The pumps we acquired are nothing short of astonishing in my opinion. They are variable (huge upside), they are quiet (I cannot hear them standing directly over them in the fish room), they are phenomenally efficient (compared to the overwhelming majority of aquarium pumps on the market today), they are extremely flexible from a programming standpoint and they are supposedly one of the longest MTBF on the market today (this I cannot attest to as I've only had them for a couple of months). They are expensive (or Mr. Wilson is taking me to the cleaners!!!) but I cannot understand why anyone would buy the regular pumps with all the noise and heat given my limited experience to date. Time will tell if the performance stays the same for the next decade as promised.

Next week is Mangrove week on the thread. Mr. Wilson has promised that I will be picking Mangrove fruit by friday so hang in there we will be taking pictures............or was that mangos??????

Video++++++ this has been a very time consuming and expensive journey to say the least. This is my project and accounts for my limited posts on the forum of late.

There are really two projects going on. First are the two web cams.....one for the fish room and one for the display tank. I have installed a few different brands and I have not been entirely satisfied with the resulting images. Having said that, the assessment has been hampered by the fact that we have been running five different lighting systems over the display tank which has made it almost impossible to get a sane picture that I can use as a baseline for evaluation purposes. I think we are getting closer but until we make the final decisions on the display tank lighting strategy I won't be releasing the web cams to the general public.

Then I ventured into the HI DEF camcorder world...........bought a relatively decent camcorder capable of 1080P 24fps in low light. But then I had a heck of a time getting the result to play properly on a wide variety of PC platforms. I tried it on desktops, Laptops, tablets all to no avail. The results were not running smoothly but and its a BIG BUT, the picture was staggeringly good.....almost like 3D (more on this later). So I thought I will break down centuries of prejudice and buy a MAC. WOOOSH what a difference. The quality is phenomenal. Now I have to figure out how to get that result into all your greedy hands. The file size is huge just to get a single slow pan of all 50 ft of visible tank. The quality is so high that I know that no matter how slow I go folks will still complain it's too fast. The quality is so good that I am seeing stuff for the first time that I did not see with the naked eye and I do for sure want everyone to be able to benefit from that experience as well. I think I will resist the temptation to dumb it down in size or resolution. I think I am going to store it in the cloud and then let folks download it at their leisure.

I have an errand to run so I will take a brief break before I continue the update.

Peter
 
This Tank is truly amazing, If anyone has the privilege to see this in person is very fortunate. Keep up the good work Shawn/Peter.
I hope one day I get to see this tank full of Corals.
 
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Hi Peter,


How have you been? I thought you left for Indonesia without me my friend.
I hope everything is good for you and also is a lot of progress going on with the tank. Mr. Wilson shared some ideas and information with me and I moved on a little bit with my own. Please let me know what you think about my tank so far, your opinion is very important to me.

Andy :beer:
 
Far be it from me to tell you what to do but I do know that YouTube will let you upload 1080p video. There will be some lose of quality but almost any site is going to convert it into flash or HTML 5 which is inherently going to compress it thus reducing quality.
 
People with large video files usually break them up into pieces to meet YouTube's max file size per segment. Video clips on YT at 1080p are quite good compared to lower resolution from same, though not DVD quality, of course.

Any form of streaming is going to involve compression, which automatically guarantees some loss of quality from the original (some people are actually going for outdoor digital antennas again as the signal is better than cable or satellite - no compression).

Nonetheless I would hope that Peter uploads his video to YT at 1080p so we can see his fish in their new habitat.

Dave.M
 
Hi Peter,


How have you been? I thought you left for Indonesia without me my friend.
I hope everything is good for you and also is a lot of progress going on with the tank. Mr. Wilson shared some ideas and information with me and I moved on a little bit with my own. Please let me know what you think about my tank so far, your opinion is very important to me.

Andy :beer:

I would not go to ChingChai's hideaway or the Philippines without you my friend. I believe they are kind of messy and wet at the moment so we should wait until they dry out. I have been following your thread Andy and your attention to detail on the aquascaping will be very much appreciated by everyone down the road. I am convinced that there is a big difference in the results of a three hour effort versus a three day intensive journey. Mr. Wilson and I have both been following your build and we are determined to see it in person.

Peter
 
When you were at MACNA it took over and hour for you to get your meal and allso to many LED lights were there,to bad that there was not more pumps.

I skipped the dinner, but I agree about the lack of pumps etc. I was warned other recent trade shows were 90% LED lighting. Hype has always driven our hobby though. I could have done with less Key largo dead rock as well. Even the LED guys had a few rocks on their tables :)
 
People with large video files usually break them up into pieces to meet YouTube's max file size per segment. Video clips on YT at 1080p are quite good compared to lower resolution from same, though not DVD quality, of course.

Any form of streaming is going to involve compression, which automatically guarantees some loss of quality from the original (some people are actually going for outdoor digital antennas again as the signal is better than cable or satellite - no compression).

Nonetheless I would hope that Peter uploads his video to YT at 1080p so we can see his fish in their new habitat.

Dave.M

I'm one of those people who has an outdoor antenna to collect uncompressed HD TV. I thought antennas were just for weird old guys that sharpen their lawnmower blades and comb their hair over a bald spot... no wait, that is me :(
 
Inspiring group

Inspiring group

Peter, Mr. Wilson, et al.,

I stumbled across this build yesterday and stayed to read the entire journey thus far. I have lurked on RC researching for our tank build but this incredible thread made me register and break my silence in the forum world. I have been truly impressed with the scope, caliber and quality of this build, this thread and the community!

Peter, thank you for sharing your experience for the fun of living it vicariously through you and also for providing a venue for all of us to learn with you.

Mr. Wilson, your depth and scope of knowledge is absolutely astounding. Not only am I humbled by your knowledge base and understanding of how it all works together but by your apparent detailed recall of it all. I agree with those here begging you to write a book. I will go so far as to say that if you do not you are truly denying reef keepers a valuable resource. Frankly, with the lack of concise information available for researchers (it's either buried and difficult to find, to general, or someone's thesis), a book by you would be a godsend! I hope that if/when you write it, you will apply a web based format as well. I'm sure Peter can help you here but if you need a web host or site help, yell, I will force my husband to find you space on our servers.

Cap'n, in addition to the knowledge base you have added, thank you for compiling the 'Cap'ns log. I will need it as I try to remember and find the wealth of information that has flown by in this thread.

To all of you who have been following this thread and commenting-I thank you! Some of your comments and suggestions for Peter have educated me.

I feel honored be tagging along for the rest of this incredible build! It is a fabulous undertaking that has been handled better than any I have seen anywhere!

Stacey
 
Peter, Mr. Wilson, et al.,

I stumbled across this build yesterday and stayed to read the entire journey thus far. I have lurked on RC researching for our tank build but this incredible thread made me register and break my silence in the forum world. I have been truly impressed with the scope, caliber and quality of this build, this thread and the community!

Peter, thank you for sharing your experience for the fun of living it vicariously through you and also for providing a venue for all of us to learn with you.

Mr. Wilson, your depth and scope of knowledge is absolutely astounding. Not only am I humbled by your knowledge base and understanding of how it all works together but by your apparent detailed recall of it all. I agree with those here begging you to write a book. I will go so far as to say that if you do not you are truly denying reef keepers a valuable resource. Frankly, with the lack of concise information available for researchers (it's either buried and difficult to find, to general, or someone's thesis), a book by you would be a godsend! I hope that if/when you write it, you will apply a web based format as well. I'm sure Peter can help you here but if you need a web host or site help, yell, I will force my husband to find you space on our servers.

Cap'n, in addition to the knowledge base you have added, thank you for compiling the 'Cap'ns log. I will need it as I try to remember and find the wealth of information that has flown by in this thread.

To all of you who have been following this thread and commenting-I thank you! Some of your comments and suggestions for Peter have educated me.

I feel honored be tagging along for the rest of this incredible build! It is a fabulous undertaking that has been handled better than any I have seen anywhere!

Stacey

You are too kind Stacey! I will send you a copy of the book as soon as it magically appears :) You can save on shipping when I pack yours with your neighbours (DeHenley) also in Lubbock. Also one of my favourite fish...

http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=15+1926+376&pcatid=376
 
Peter, Mr. Wilson, et al.,

I stumbled across this build yesterday and stayed to read the entire journey thus far. I have lurked on RC researching for our tank build but this incredible thread made me register and break my silence in the forum world. I have been truly impressed with the scope, caliber and quality of this build, this thread and the community!

Peter, thank you for sharing your experience for the fun of living it vicariously through you and also for providing a venue for all of us to learn with you.

Mr. Wilson, your depth and scope of knowledge is absolutely astounding. Not only am I humbled by your knowledge base and understanding of how it all works together but by your apparent detailed recall of it all. I agree with those here begging you to write a book. I will go so far as to say that if you do not you are truly denying reef keepers a valuable resource. Frankly, with the lack of concise information available for researchers (it's either buried and difficult to find, to general, or someone's thesis), a book by you would be a godsend! I hope that if/when you write it, you will apply a web based format as well. I'm sure Peter can help you here but if you need a web host or site help, yell, I will force my husband to find you space on our servers.

Cap'n, in addition to the knowledge base you have added, thank you for compiling the 'Cap'ns log. I will need it as I try to remember and find the wealth of information that has flown by in this thread.

To all of you who have been following this thread and commenting-I thank you! Some of your comments and suggestions for Peter have educated me.

I feel honored be tagging along for the rest of this incredible build! It is a fabulous undertaking that has been handled better than any I have seen anywhere!

Stacey


Stacey, for me your post is center line to the culture and experience I had hoped for this community from the outset. I thank you, we thank you for taking the valuable time to join this family. I believe the best is yet to come motivated in no small measure by the kind encouragement you have just offered. There are some really neat things in the wings that should hopefully provide material substance to the notion of best practices for our shared interest in this domain. Thank you for your elegant reminder on just how much of a community this thread has become. It is a true pool of talent that I hope will stay for the duration. Mr. Wilson will write that book (web version for sure) and the cap'n will help more than he knows for the huge effort he has undertaken to save the good parts of this complex bouillabaisse. There are others too numerous to mention but some will be noted in the very near future.........

Please keep us honest and continue to audit and participate where you can.....

Peter
 
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