Crazy bio-loading with 86 fish.
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BTTRFLYGRL
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6825827#post6825827 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by maro1
Whats great to see about this thread is that the same complaining people are on all threads. It's the same thing over and over. whens the last time some of you said anything positive to each other?
said with a smile
Mar:rollface:
Hmmm, let me see.....Oh what a wonderful video of your fish bumping into one another ..I really enjoy seeing these beautiful creatures crowded in one tank. The aggression among your fish must be marvelous...
ah, that just doesn't sound right
I am sure this person expected to shock people. I am wondering if he just wonders how many fish he can put in one tank. I find it hard to be positive with people who have no regards for the fish in their care. I am not going to sugar coat it.. see here I am in this thread again
You posted after me earlier in this thread, are you following me?
BTTRFLYGRL
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Rungeg
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Lets get to something constructive, First it is the Kentucky derby not the Kentucky horse derby, second what do you do to keep enough oxygen in the water? If you were to look at a reef while diving it is packed full of fish. We have made many advances in the hobby. We can keep many corals we haven't been able too, and there are/were people against it. This is another aspect of reef keeping that is starting to be tackled. Do not think that I condone this by the person that is doing it because it should be done in a more controlled environment by someone with serious expierience, and his tank is not old enough. You are bashing him for some wrong reason.
Vili_Shark
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Hi
I dont understand why some guys doubt it's Seafood's real tank.
This is a typical Hong Kong tank, I wont be surprised if Seafood was a Hong Kong guy who left to Vancouver where it stated he lives now.
In Hong Kong hobbysts do stock their tanks like this, MANY Angels and tangs and the larger the better.
Do ask the wholesellers in 104th where the 12" Queen and French Angels are going.
When you stuff your tank like this you wont have too many problem with aggression, there is almost no decoration, so there wont be any territorries set and there are simply too many fish to chase for the agressor.
It's sounds weired, but I see it all the time.
I personally dont think it's the right way to keep fish, as the fish wont develop and grow as much as they would in more optimal conditions.
The numbers of failures are way much higher than the numbers of success.
I dont understand why some guys doubt it's Seafood's real tank.
This is a typical Hong Kong tank, I wont be surprised if Seafood was a Hong Kong guy who left to Vancouver where it stated he lives now.
In Hong Kong hobbysts do stock their tanks like this, MANY Angels and tangs and the larger the better.
Do ask the wholesellers in 104th where the 12" Queen and French Angels are going.
When you stuff your tank like this you wont have too many problem with aggression, there is almost no decoration, so there wont be any territorries set and there are simply too many fish to chase for the agressor.
It's sounds weired, but I see it all the time.
I personally dont think it's the right way to keep fish, as the fish wont develop and grow as much as they would in more optimal conditions.
The numbers of failures are way much higher than the numbers of success.
I dont think advancement of the hobby includes mistreatment of animals. You could also keep 86 cats in a 15x15 ft building with a bunch of shelves as long as you cleaned it enough ... I don't think anyone would think that's a great idea either. Not to mention, IMO tanks that are too overcrowded are supremely ugly.
TheGrimmReefer
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I've never liked the look of a tank like this, too gaudy/tacky. May as well have 80 of those plastic divers/treasure chests/skulls while you're at it. I wouldn't call it advancing the hobby as much as bringing back the old concepts that got this hobby going in the first place; basically a bare tank with the biggest, most colorful fish you could find, packed as densely as possible. I had thought this mentallity had been abandoned in favor of more realistic/natural setups, but I guess there are still a few people out there that think this is a good idea.
As far as the treatment of the fish goes, I think so long as the fish is physically healthy (at least so far as it is within your control), and eating well, you are doing right by the fish. If it is crowded a bit, oh well. Just because they are gorgeous does not mean that they are not still fish. I have caught and eaten more of their cousins than I will ever keep in a tank (don't get me wrong, I am absolutely fascinated and enchanted by reef animals, but I'm not going to lose sleep over the possibility of a hermit crab with post-traumatic stress disorder). I also think some people forget that living in the wild is no picnic either; just about everything out there wants to eat you, and no one is going to hand you your food. Survival in the wild (for every animal) is a constant fight and there are often more losers than winners. If we can provide a fish with a relatively cushy existence, then we should not have to feel guilty about it (I'd be willing to wager that the majority of dogs and cats would rather live in captivity than in nature, lol). Of course, as I said, this is all provided that you can keep the animals healthy, and unfortunately many people in this hobby are either too ignorant (whether willful or not) or otherwise not able to make this possible. I personally don't think this is possible (at least not in the long run) with seafood's particular setup, as you couldn't keep track of their eating habits if you tried (you would need a cloud of food for starters, and obviously no way to observe every fish), and there is too great a possiblity of an ich epidemic. If you can confirm that all of these fish are in good health, I will be impressed. However, you have to make this work for the long haul, which is something I don't think is likely to happen.
I will however, continue to assume this is a joke until seafood provides some information about the care of these fish beyond just posting pictures and videos. It becomes very suspicious when you do that; it takes longer to post links to the pictures than to relate some personal experiences in keeping up with your tank. How hard is it to tell us what/how much you feed them, etc.?
Sorry about the length of my post; it's been a while since the last time I looked in on these forums and I tend to ramble anyway, lol.
As far as the treatment of the fish goes, I think so long as the fish is physically healthy (at least so far as it is within your control), and eating well, you are doing right by the fish. If it is crowded a bit, oh well. Just because they are gorgeous does not mean that they are not still fish. I have caught and eaten more of their cousins than I will ever keep in a tank (don't get me wrong, I am absolutely fascinated and enchanted by reef animals, but I'm not going to lose sleep over the possibility of a hermit crab with post-traumatic stress disorder). I also think some people forget that living in the wild is no picnic either; just about everything out there wants to eat you, and no one is going to hand you your food. Survival in the wild (for every animal) is a constant fight and there are often more losers than winners. If we can provide a fish with a relatively cushy existence, then we should not have to feel guilty about it (I'd be willing to wager that the majority of dogs and cats would rather live in captivity than in nature, lol). Of course, as I said, this is all provided that you can keep the animals healthy, and unfortunately many people in this hobby are either too ignorant (whether willful or not) or otherwise not able to make this possible. I personally don't think this is possible (at least not in the long run) with seafood's particular setup, as you couldn't keep track of their eating habits if you tried (you would need a cloud of food for starters, and obviously no way to observe every fish), and there is too great a possiblity of an ich epidemic. If you can confirm that all of these fish are in good health, I will be impressed. However, you have to make this work for the long haul, which is something I don't think is likely to happen.
I will however, continue to assume this is a joke until seafood provides some information about the care of these fish beyond just posting pictures and videos. It becomes very suspicious when you do that; it takes longer to post links to the pictures than to relate some personal experiences in keeping up with your tank. How hard is it to tell us what/how much you feed them, etc.?
Sorry about the length of my post; it's been a while since the last time I looked in on these forums and I tend to ramble anyway, lol.
Seafood Tank
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Sorry for I haven't replied above questions. All right, let me tell you how I take care of my tank.
Main tank size: 72"Lx26"Wx30"H ---240Gallon
160LB aragonite reef sand(selected) 200LB reef rock(they were
live rock before)
Sump1: 28"x22"x20"--------53 gallon
filter floss and Euro Reef CS12-1 (12"diameter x 6"high collect cup need to clean up every 3 or 4 days), Fluidized Bed Filter (600)/w Maxi-Jet 600 powerhead
Sump2: 26"x22"x24"--------59 gallon
8 inches aragonite deep sand bed Aqua-clear powerhead with quickfilter for circulation and collect waste
Pumps: Iwaki55 for return and runs 1/3 horsepower chiller and 57
watts Aqua UV. Another Iwaki55 for intank circulation, the custom main tank there are three holes in the bottom glass. The middle hole inhales water direct to the pump from two strainers, and the outlet form the pump puts water back on left side and right side h hole for the lower circulation. I used some rock to hide those strainers and nozzles. Tunze 6100 wave maker w/single controller creats 3200gallon/per hour current.
Lighting: 2x6' 150w VHO whichs aqua sun & atinic white
2x96w PowerCompact true atinic blue
4x38w T5HO (2white, 2blue with 45 degree irradiate to
the tank
2x28w T5HO(1white, 1blue) on the Sump2
3x 3/4w lunar-blue moonlight
Lighting Hours: 08:00-19:00
Water change: Every10-14 days one quarter of total volume.
Food: once or twice a day. pellets and frozen food(every other day)
Pellet: Ocean Nutrition Formula1-----small and medium ,flakes
(dry food) Formula2------small and medium,flakes
green, red, brown dry sea algae
HBH SuperSoft krill -------small and large
Spirulina-----small and large
Frozen food: Hikari: spirulina brine shrimp
mysis shrimp
squid
ocean plankton
blood worm
mega marine angel(contains sponge)
mega marine algae
krill
Ocean Nutrition: angel formula
formula 1 & 2
prime reef
All kinds of frozen food cut in small piece combine with kentmarine Zoecon, Garlic overnight in refrigerator before feeding.
The secret:
1. Fluidized Bed Filter (600) already used 2 year before re-set up this tank, because I needed to move new house, so I sold previous fish and washed aragonite and rock(with a little bit bleach to make the brown algae gone), but i keep running this bed filter, that why i can speed up the cycle and add fish early.
2. Keep running Seachem copper 0.2mg/L, even sometimes ich attacks i always win. You don't see the coralline algae bulits up because cooper kills.(ps. 200lb rock were live rock in one and half year ago, last time i couldn't control velet and ick appears, so i decided to use copper, finally half of fish dead and nh3, no2 were keeping high, copper also kill live rock! FOTWLR is hard to control!
after last experience, i won't keep fish with live rock.
3. I have 20 Gallon quantine tank, basic system as Rena XP2, Hang on fliter, heater and ice probe mini chiller. Every week I will buy 2-6 pieces of fish(depends on its size), wait 1 week if they well feed and healthly, i will transfer them to Sump2 and stay 1 week before i put into main tank. For the agression, most of time i put 3-5 fish into the tank at the same time(in the evening with turn off light), the existing resident will confuse or not concentrate to chase one fish, it will reduce the stress of the new fish.
Hope a little information will let you know how i work with my seafood tank.
PS. sorry for my English, i'm still learning the gramma and the strange words.
Main tank size: 72"Lx26"Wx30"H ---240Gallon
160LB aragonite reef sand(selected) 200LB reef rock(they were
live rock before)
Sump1: 28"x22"x20"--------53 gallon
filter floss and Euro Reef CS12-1 (12"diameter x 6"high collect cup need to clean up every 3 or 4 days), Fluidized Bed Filter (600)/w Maxi-Jet 600 powerhead
Sump2: 26"x22"x24"--------59 gallon
8 inches aragonite deep sand bed Aqua-clear powerhead with quickfilter for circulation and collect waste
Pumps: Iwaki55 for return and runs 1/3 horsepower chiller and 57
watts Aqua UV. Another Iwaki55 for intank circulation, the custom main tank there are three holes in the bottom glass. The middle hole inhales water direct to the pump from two strainers, and the outlet form the pump puts water back on left side and right side h hole for the lower circulation. I used some rock to hide those strainers and nozzles. Tunze 6100 wave maker w/single controller creats 3200gallon/per hour current.
Lighting: 2x6' 150w VHO whichs aqua sun & atinic white
2x96w PowerCompact true atinic blue
4x38w T5HO (2white, 2blue with 45 degree irradiate to
the tank
2x28w T5HO(1white, 1blue) on the Sump2
3x 3/4w lunar-blue moonlight
Lighting Hours: 08:00-19:00
Water change: Every10-14 days one quarter of total volume.
Food: once or twice a day. pellets and frozen food(every other day)
Pellet: Ocean Nutrition Formula1-----small and medium ,flakes
(dry food) Formula2------small and medium,flakes
green, red, brown dry sea algae
HBH SuperSoft krill -------small and large
Spirulina-----small and large
Frozen food: Hikari: spirulina brine shrimp
mysis shrimp
squid
ocean plankton
blood worm
mega marine angel(contains sponge)
mega marine algae
krill
Ocean Nutrition: angel formula
formula 1 & 2
prime reef
All kinds of frozen food cut in small piece combine with kentmarine Zoecon, Garlic overnight in refrigerator before feeding.
The secret:
1. Fluidized Bed Filter (600) already used 2 year before re-set up this tank, because I needed to move new house, so I sold previous fish and washed aragonite and rock(with a little bit bleach to make the brown algae gone), but i keep running this bed filter, that why i can speed up the cycle and add fish early.
2. Keep running Seachem copper 0.2mg/L, even sometimes ich attacks i always win. You don't see the coralline algae bulits up because cooper kills.(ps. 200lb rock were live rock in one and half year ago, last time i couldn't control velet and ick appears, so i decided to use copper, finally half of fish dead and nh3, no2 were keeping high, copper also kill live rock! FOTWLR is hard to control!
after last experience, i won't keep fish with live rock.
3. I have 20 Gallon quantine tank, basic system as Rena XP2, Hang on fliter, heater and ice probe mini chiller. Every week I will buy 2-6 pieces of fish(depends on its size), wait 1 week if they well feed and healthly, i will transfer them to Sump2 and stay 1 week before i put into main tank. For the agression, most of time i put 3-5 fish into the tank at the same time(in the evening with turn off light), the existing resident will confuse or not concentrate to chase one fish, it will reduce the stress of the new fish.
Hope a little information will let you know how i work with my seafood tank.
PS. sorry for my English, i'm still learning the gramma and the strange words.
Seafood Tank
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I knew has many fish friends not to agree perhaps my this pisculture way and the manner, I am wrong, also can the new fish friend bring the negative influence, like this compares the standard pisculture way to surpass many times, slightly controls is not good can the entire armed forces not cover But stands in my standpoint, I really want in to have the area of competence to collect each kind of angel fish, the butterfly fish and the surgery long-tailed anchovy, moreover I because in the family the space cannot trade a bigger fish tank to satisfy my request, therefore I only can continue with this fish tank, asks each position to forgive me selfish and the treats fish as brutal.
BTTRFLYGRL
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Hmmm, I was looking in your gallery. Can you please explain why if I keep hitting the right arrow above your photos, I get sent to other members photos.? I have never had this happen
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