Crocea Changing Color

PSEUDOREEFER

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I moved my Crocea clam from under a 175 watt halide to a 400 watt halide (both 18" depth) and since I've moved it to the 400, it's turned more brown (I moved it almost a year ago- the change has been gradual). I haven't noticed the change untill I recently looked at a picture of the clam from when I first got it. I don't think that this is just a recovery from bleaching as the clam was obviously not bleached when I first got it. The bulb is a 20k Coral Vue. The clam is about 4" in the first pic and over 5" in the second pic.

Here's the clam under the 175 watt halide when I first got it
CroceaThen.jpg


Here's the same clam after a year of 400 watt halide
CroceaNow.jpg
 
20 k is way too blue for clams thats why it turning brown put a 10k bulb in and it's color will come back
 
If you like the blue added in the light, you could even try a 12k or 14 k bulb. It could also be reaction to the higher intensity of the light and the turning brow is a defensive mechanism or like sun block from the brighter intensity light.
 
the brown is the clam adding zoo to make up 4 the incorect light(trying to make more food)the bright colors are the defense mechanism from intense lighting
 
I don't think that it's the lighting as it is 18" away from a 400 watt bulb (it's not like its not getting enough light). My corals and other clams are keeping their color just fine so I don't think that it's a major problem, just something with this one clam.
 
This happened to three clams in my tank. I switched my lights to VHO's and they colored up within three weeks or so back to their original color.
 
coolie said:
This happened to three clams in my tank. I switched my lights to VHO's and they colored up within three weeks or so back to their original color.


So......are you saying I shouldn't get a clam with my 2 250w mh?
 
it not the intensity in question here ,400 watt mh is very intense,it the spectrum.20k replicates a deep water environment! the Cracea in question comes from a shallow,reeftop environment.the correct spectrum for this clam(all clams)is 6500K-10,000K.evenT.Gigas
 
I have 250W (intense) and 10000K (quite low kelvin rate) MH and my crocea browned too. I even have just two 20W NO actinics.
 
One can expect to see some color chance from setup to setup within the same clam, as it adapts to it's new enviroment, but the new setup should be within the range of it's natural conditions.

Like mbbuna said, croceas come from very shallow water, most often. 6500K is ideal for a crocea, or anything from the shallows for that matter. You will get beautiful color from a 10K as well, as it has decent red peaks. When they are hatchery raised, they are shaded. This will reduce the intensity of the light, but not alter the spectrum. They have adapted to living within certain conditions, and do best when they are provided with the conditions thousands of years of evolution have given them.

Note, as this is your only clam showing a change/loss of color, it may only be the first.

ozadars, 10,000K is not very low Kelvin. It's actually towards the top of the natural range most clams will be naturally adapted too. Many, if not all clams will do well under 250W 10k bulbs. Post some pics and that will help people visualize your problem.

skippy2, you should be ok. See above.

And just so everyone is clear, there is no cause and effect relationship between the bright colors in the clams mantle and the intensity of the lighting they are provided. I have VERY bright almost electric croceas in my sand bed and Gold maximas 3/4 the way up my water column.

What I am trying to say is each clam is a unique individual, you cannot expect one to gain color if it is in a good setup, by simply changing to a brighter bulb. It has to have the potential and come from less then ideal conditions to really gain any marked increase in color by changing the enviroment.

So a nice gold/tan/brown maxima/crocea with no blue/green/purple ect. can handle the same lighing a beautiful blue/green/purple maxima/crocea can, and it will not necessarily change it's color. It may change it's intensity, but not necessarily.
Bright color in the mantle is not a necessity either. As you percieve the color of an item as the spectrum of light that item reflects, you can assume that a brown clam can handle more blue light then a blue clam can.

But have you EVER seen a red clam?

Didn't think so.

The zooxanthellae that drive the clam need red for photosynthesis. 20K have almost no red. Saltwater is such a great filter of red light, clams never evolved a resistance to it.

So the logical assumption is no red in the spectrum of the light = not happy crocea.
 
I know 10000K is not a very low kelvin rate ofcourse but what I meant was actually that I have seen lots of colorful clams under 20000K bulbs or 10000K with more actinics than I do and browning may be caused by other things other than the kelvin rate of a bulb.
 
It very well might be, but untill you start removing the negative factors that could be influencing the health of the clam you will not know where the problem lies. It might be the loss of red spectrum in his case is the straw that broke the camels back.

Note not all bulbs are created equally. One 20K may just have enough red to keep a certain clam happy in one set of circumstances, but I doubt 20k's will keep clams happy like the 6.5k-10K range would.
 
Sorry to hyjack your thread PSEUDOREEFER. But I'm new to keeping clams. I have my first Crocea clam under 250w DE MH 10k. They clam was doing great for about two weeks, until the other night when I took it out of the water for 5 seconds. The day after I noticed the mantle starting to fade from a bright blue to a white. It looks as if it may bne bleaching. Any ideas what could have gone wrong here.

Sorry again, but the thread is interesting. Lots of experienced clam owners that I thought would be able to help me out.

Thanks
 
It's not totally uncommon for a clam to get a spot of fading color after some form of stress. Usually a small patch that fades to almost white. If conditions are good, the clam should recover within a month or two, and you should see color comming back to that area. If the clam is healthy otherwise, and the conditions are good, the localized bleaching should be ok.

Make sure the clam get lots of phyto (in the tank, not spot fed in a bowl) and a good combo of light, water movement and an attachment site.
 
Ok, thanks. Do you mean Phytoplankton? I usually feed the tank Phytoplankton every other day. However, I missed feeding the tank the same day I saw the fading color. A buddy of mine also said that I could have exasperated the clam when I took it out of the water for 5 seconds. He suggested that I spin the clam around to disburse any air that may have got caught inside when out of the tank. Any thoughts?
 
IMO gas bubbles wouldnt have anything to do with bleaching, but u could try it . dont know about spining it, just rock it (mantle up, so that air can come out of incurrent-excurrent syphon's)i take mine out of the water all the time never had a problem with air
 
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