Cubed & Squared

I know stuff all about LED's but talking to some friends on here with a lot more experience has shown me how deceiving LED's are to the eye compared to my halide.

Hmm, are you saying that I'm deceiving you, biggles? or do you mean in terms of light intensity :p

Bingo on spotting the 'Red Dragon'. I knew you'd spot that even if there was only a half inch branch there :). When I got that mari piece 3-4 years ago, I had only seen about 20 sps colonies till then, yet even I could see that this piece was different. Imagine the heartbreak when they all went off :(. Whether or not they are the same acro is always debateable, but I remeber the original colony, having very think, almost algae like branches, not like this frag I've got now. Just lovely. I spent a while trying to source out another mari colony, but it seemed that the name just made it impossible to get now. I still haven't moved the frag, despite moving all others....scared :). But yeah, who dares wins, right?

Anyways, pics :).... the seri's that I got as frags in the first pick,
In the dropoff

and today


This one is just weird. Starting from dirty brown, to beige with greenish tips, to complete brown, to this strange morph now


And this is my frag/holding tank as of today, there's so much that I need to trade/sell off


And now, back to irritating troub with the leds..... the christmas season is coming, best be ready :p
 
Your SPS are starting to look really good mate, everything is no where near as drab and grumpy as they were months back. I can't get my seri's or monti's to grow so i'm going to do a 10% water change once a month to see if i'm missing some trace elements. Your seri's look cool and are growing well, i like the nasty spiky ones lol. :thumbsup:
Second last pic, what is that beautiful branched acro left of the yellowy green one, i want that Bello......... i think the one above it is going to do something cool for you buddy. :)

I'm attacking the display as we speak lol, just dumped a ton of stuff into the sump........ since you've revealed your sneaky dirty little hand it's now on Bello :strooper:

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And now, back to irritating troub with the leds..... the christmas season is coming, best be ready :p

HA! You're not irritating me at all. Very helpful and useful information! And of course very much appreciated. You frag tank is looking pretty stocked. It's going to be a full reef before you know it. :facepalm: lol

I think you two are just putting up as many photos of as many corals as you can.... just to make me jealous and drool over it. Since all I can stare at is some sand and rocks for awhile still. lol

Looks good though and it's fun to see where we might be headed eventually. Maybe one day I'll catch up to you and biggles. I should be so lucky!

If I do... I'll be doing my happy dance! :bounce1::bounce3::bounce2:
 
Your SPS are starting to look really good mate, everything is no where near as drab and grumpy as they were months back. I can't get my seri's or monti's to grow so i'm going to do a 10% water change once a month to see if i'm missing some trace elements. Your seri's look cool and are growing well, i like the nasty spiky ones lol.
Second last pic, what is that beautiful branched acro left of the yellowy green one, i want that Bello......... i think the one above it is going to do something cool for you buddy.

Thanks biggles, things are getting better :)

Did the water change make a difference? I'm still religiously doing 5-10% weekly water changes. Will probably get lazy soon though.

The thin branched one is the same one that I fragged into 10 pieces, and that seems to turn pinkish in low light. I've got a ton of them for you biggles, you can see them on the left side of the front structure in the FTS that will follow.

Also got this piece a while ago, it was supposed to be an ultra green (i think, never looked green in the first place), wonder what it'll become....





HA! You're not irritating me at all. Very helpful and useful information! And of course very much appreciated. You frag tank is looking pretty stocked. It's going to be a full reef before you know it. :facepalm: lol

Looks good though and it's fun to see where we might be headed eventually. Maybe one day I'll catch up to you and biggles. I should be so lucky!

If I do... I'll be doing my happy dance! :bounce1::bounce3::bounce2:

We'll be there Troub, on your reefing journey....but I'm pretty sure you're tank will be stunner, you've got the patience :p...Seriously, it will, because one thing that I've realized in this hobby, as probably in life, knowledge is power .... You can have the best equipment possible, but without knowledge you're screwed :p

Bello, just finished the thread. It seams their are always trials and tribulations to SPS keeping. Looks like you have turned things around.

Marty

Thanks Marty for the encouraging words :)

I know exactly who to blame for all of this mess ...... me!!! Most of the problems came up due to beginner mistakes and constantly meddling with things. Admittedly, I was never happy with the scape in the Monti tank, kept messing with it, and the problems followed. Things do seem to be improving now....I just need to make sure I have no more flatworms, get rid of my existing aiptasia, and can finally focus on colors and growth

The new monti FTS follows in the next post :thumbsup:
 
1 year later

1 year later

It's been a year for the tank, and a year spent pretty much messing around with aquascapes... this is it for the formerly known as monti....now to be referred to as the deeper water tank (though there's a bloody A.humilis, among others, in there :P)



and from above,
 
It's been a year for the tank, and a year spent pretty much messing around with aquascapes...

Well, it was a worthy year of aquascaping!! The tank and scape is looking amazing! :thumbsup: I love the dramatic over tabling and overhang look with open water space between the sand. It's a look I'm hoping to incorporate or accomplish on my rock scape. Once I get around to adding in corals that is.

But :beer: to the tank, it looks like THE GREAT MONTI DEEPPER REEF!!! :dance:
 
Looking bloody awesome mate :) Both the cubes are looking the business now and your color work on the pics is much better now buddy :thumbsup:
The water change didn't make any difference, most likely because i haven't bothered getting any water to do one.......... :rolleyes:
The corals are looking great, very healthy PE so now it's just a matter of watching the colors develop. I do wish you'd remove those black turds laying on the sand lol........:lol2:

What parameters are you running now mate and what foods are going into the reef each day. Really pleased to see you're finally seeing some rewards for all the hard work you've put into your systems - happy 1st reef birthday buddy :beer:
 
Well, it was a worthy year of aquascaping!! The tank and scape is looking amazing! :thumbsup: I love the dramatic over tabling and overhang look with open water space between the sand. It's a look I'm hoping to incorporate or accomplish on my rock scape. Once I get around to adding in corals that is.

But to the tank, it looks like THE GREAT MONTI DEEPPER REEF!!! :dance:

Thanks Troub, you know how much effort went into it.... but I'm finally happy :)

I wanted to stick with my initial thoughts of having minimal rock in contact with the tank glass, while remaining aesthetically pleasing. More irritatingly, I had to work with whatever live rock I already had, so had to make the pieces fit.

I love the overhangs, and the look of sand....could never go bare bottom :)

Its time to sit back (like THAT will really happen), and get the tank running smoothly :)

Looking bloody awesome mate :) Both the cubes are looking the business now and your color work on the pics is much better now buddy.
The water change didn't make any difference, most likely because i haven't bothered getting any water to do one.......... :rolleyes:
The corals are looking great, very healthy PE so now it's just a matter of watching the colors develop. I do wish you'd remove those black turds laying on the sand lol........

What parameters are you running now mate and what foods are going into the reef each day. Really pleased to see you're finally seeing some rewards for all the hard work you've put into your systems - happy 1st reef birthday buddy :beer:

Thanks biggles! Can't believe its been a year already, filled with tank poo, and baby poo :lol:

I believe the new look, makes it more pleasing than the acro tank. I think the contrasts between colors, gives it that look. You'll also note, that there are barely any monti's left, just the setosa, a digi, and a couple others.

I think I need to tweak the disco lights over the acro tank, I fear I may have gone overboard in the 420nm region, so trying to balance it out....should be easier to take pics too.

My poor turds need to hang out for a bit longer :), still getting diatoms and some algae. Have my skimmer dialed in better now, skimming very wet. BTW, too much equipment can also cause problems. Have been switching between 2 skimmers that I have, and have finally settled on the BK Double Cone 250.

Not feeding very much at the moment, targeting the fish with flakes. Every alternate day, a scoop of Reef Roids....Once a week, Zeo Coral Vitalizer, but nothing fixed to be honest.... need to work on that.

Figure I'll reduce nutrients further, and then gradually increase feeding....Any advice?
 
How's your little apprentice acro keeper going mate, hope he's keeping you on your toes lol.

I like both tanks though i agree that the monti system looks best atm. I did notice you'd removed most of the montis to give yourself more space for other corals (acros) :) Those red pieces you have are gorgeous and really add pop to the background. You could always place one or two scrolling types on the sand bed down the track as they grow just about anywhere and aren't at all demanding to keep.

What are you going to swap the 420nm bulbs for buddy. I think the acros in the sump are doing slightly better since i lowered the intensity was down, even though it looks way too dim to my eyes i think the actual PAR hitting the corals is more to their liking.

Skimming isn't that big a deal imo and as long as whatever you use is generating a decent skimmate daily i'd be satisfied. I think with the trend towards heavy feeding of SPS systems for best colors and growth that skimming wetter is always the best approach to keep on top of nutrients. Btw my pretty red macro algae in the display has fallen victim to the tang, that's the end of that little phos absorber lol.
I think you're doing the right thing with the foods considering the recent probs you had. Slow is the way to go as it's important you get the systems to a point where you will remove those disgusting black turds......... i think playing it by ear until you're in a good solid place with the water is a good approach.

I'd be trying to bottom out the nitrates and phos, you're not feeding too heavily so i'm sure the system can cope. Then i'd try to build up the micro life as i think the large populations of pods, mysis and who knows what else i have keep the water rich with coral appropriate food. The mandarin is overweight and hasn't made much of a dent in the display critter numbers. I watch him and he doesn't touch the pods we see commonly, he eats the almost invisible babies that like to hang on the glass when a small algae build up is there. Just before i clean the glass i notice him spending all his time feeding on things on the front glass that i can't see with my eyes so i'm very confident there's a large supply of live food in the water at all times.
I'm just trying to narrow down the differences between our systems re color saturation and perhaps my more critter driven food supply approach is one thing you could target at some stage buddy. :thumbsup:

- i now have 5 fish Bello - one hard to find angel to go and then i'll go shrimp mad lol. Where the heck are your shrimp btw Bello - going shrimpless is not an option........:p
 
How's your little apprentice acro keeper going mate, hope he's keeping you on your toes lol.

I like both tanks though i agree that the monti system looks best atm. I did notice you'd removed most of the montis to give yourself more space for other corals (acros). Those red pieces you have are gorgeous and really add pop to the background. You could always place one or two scrolling types on the sand bed down the track as they grow just about anywhere and aren't at all demanding to keep.

What are you going to swap the 420nm bulbs for buddy. I think the acros in the sump are doing slightly better since i lowered the intensity was down, even though it looks way too dim to my eyes i think the actual PAR hitting the corals is more to their liking.

Skimming isn't that big a deal imo and as long as whatever you use is generating a decent skimmate daily i'd be satisfied. I think with the trend towards heavy feeding of SPS systems for best colors and growth that skimming wetter is always the best approach to keep on top of nutrients. Btw my pretty red macro algae in the display has fallen victim to the tang, that's the end of that little phos absorber lol.
I think you're doing the right thing with the foods considering the recent probs you had. Slow is the way to go as it's important you get the systems to a point where you will remove those disgusting black turds......... i think playing it by ear until you're in a good solid place with the water is a good approach.

I'd be trying to bottom out the nitrates and phos, you're not feeding too heavily so i'm sure the system can cope. Then i'd try to build up the micro life as i think the large populations of pods, mysis and who knows what else i have keep the water rich with coral appropriate food. I'm just trying to narrow down the differences between our systems re color saturation and perhaps my more critter driven food supply approach is one thing you could target at some stage buddy.

Where the heck are your shrimp btw Bello - going shrimpless is not an option........

My lil' acro keeper is growing up, and refuses to sit down in one place, may as well tie him down lol...I'll get him to work on the tanks soon, since he has sooooo much excess energy

I'm finally happy that both systems look decent, although I now find the acro tank to be a bit lacking. The red pieces are my Setosa again, I love them, hardy and fast growing under the right conditions. I do have a couple scrolling monti frags, but for some reason, they hate my systems, growth is really slow, but then again, I'm not terribly fond of them either :)

I swapped the 420's with royal blue and cyans, and at the same time, swapped a few cool whites for warm whites. The result was very washed out green acros...yeah you'd like that :p. Swapped the warm whites again, for royal blues and cool whites, so now have the tank with a more prominent blue tint....lets see how it works. I agree that its difficult to judge how much light the corals are getting with LED's... Time to buy a PAR meter??...I wish :p

The amount of algae is reducing gradually. I believe some of the extra live rock I added to the sump for increasing biological activity, was still leaching nutrients. Have now moved it to a separate tank for curing, and will then add them back again. Hopefully, the turds will be gone soon after.

I doubt I have much of a pod population, simply because I have rascally six lines in both displays, and the frag tank too, so precious little refuge for the poor guys. Hopefully, once the extra LR cures, i'll place them in the sump to boost numbers.

The problems I see with my colors are not so much with lack of saturation, I feel that once I increase feedings, they should return. The problem is that certain corals are just not what they should be. I'm ok with pastel versions of the correct colors, just not happy with blue corals looking brown :furious:

Here's what I mean, the lower millie was violet/purple when I got it


and here's a bunch of millies, which are supposed to be different, but look exactly the same


I figure I may as well lower nutrients further first, to try and bring out the right colors, and then work on saturation, what do you think?

On the subject of saturation, I played around with ps again for this pic. The coral did look exactly as the pic does, a few months ago, just before the cyano and flatworms :)


And oddly enough....shrimp!!!! just bought a couple last week, perfect timing biggles :p
 
When i look at that second picture it looks a whole lot like my LED sump tank mate. I don't think you have the lighting right yet as everything else looks great. The acros look super healthy just not popping with the colors you know are there so it could also be intensity for some pieces. I have vastly different lighting levels throughout my reef due to the aquascaping and single 250W halide and many of my acros have displayed very different color levels depending on placement alone. Most of your acros are at a similar height so perhaps try spreading some small test frags around like i do to speed up finding the sweet spot for a particular acro in regards to flow and light intensity - just a thought for you to consider buddy :)
That acro in the second last pic........... i acro hate you Bello.....:eek1: That's stunning mate (you bastard)
Just bought a couple of shrimp did ya Bello, you know that would cost me $300- so even though it's going to hurt i want to know how much 2 shrimp set you back......
I'm giving you the opportunity now btw to disclose any new fish you have hidden in those bloody tanks Bello....... or will it be ' oddly enough....just bought a fish biggles wants.........' - i'm watching you Bello, watching you real close.......
 
I've tried placing them in different spots, but.....no luck.... In any case, they are growing at the moment, so I figure, try and ignore them, and if they don't co-operate in a few months time, then it may be time to sump 'em :p

The shrimp cost me.....about $25 each...buuuuutttt remember you have access to awesome acros :)..The other shrimp is in the dropoff frag area, with a new Flame angel (looks like its not gonna play nice with SPS though :( ). No more surprises :)

The acro in the second last pic was grown from a frag :), one of my favourites, there's a pic of a FRAG of it in the pic below, this is a current pic with slightly different lighting, with no saturation :)

And you can see ZERO PE on you know what....its been there for a month, no growth, no pe
 
You know Bello you could have lied a bit and at least doubled the price you paid for those bloody shrimp to ease my pain..........:(
Sumps are great places to put all manner of things including bad corals that misbehave despite being spoiled rotten.........:deadhorse:
That acro top left is awesome, love the branch growth on all your acros mate, i wish i saw more acro species like yours rather than so many thicker branched corals.
The you know what is doing that stupid dormant thing that happens occasionally. I do a number of things to wake them up including pinching a tip or two, chisel a couple of small spots right at the base tissue and super gluing a 3-4mm sized pebble onto the coral. All these things force the acro to deal with the problem by encrusting and once you get them started they generally kick back into gear even though the damage has been covered and continue growing/encrusting. Just a few ideas for you that i've used with good results, but then i do weird stuff to my acros as you know lol.
I'd love a nice flame angel but i just know what the little bastard will do sooner or later....... i've helped friends tear their tanks apart to remove pest fish and i'm not going risk it even though i'd love a flame.

I've been looking at your pics and i don't think it's a lighting issue now. Everything looks pale saturation wise and i don't see that in the LED acros i have. Mine lose a lot more color than your stuff and go darker and very drab looking. I'm really starting to think it might be more nutrient/food related considering the same acros are displaying the same pigments no matter where you place them in the tank. What do you think mate, where are your nitrates and phos sitting lately and i assume you've been hesitant to over do any feeding after the recent probs.
We seriously need to sort this last little issue out because you have a heap of cool acro species that aren't showing their true beauty. There is the possibility that just keeping things how they are now for another month or two might be all that's needed, they have been through a few sulk inducing things lately so they might just need a little time to get over that.
 
Wow your cube is really looking good

Thanks CarlosF, thanks for the kind words. Glad you liked :thumbsup:


:lol: biggles, how about I make you feel better?? Does me paying $200 for an inch frag make you feel better? :)

I was thinking about chipping the you know what :lol: a bit, as you said, but was afraid, due to the lack of PE. But it's been a month, and its gotta do something!!!....Can't just be dormant like this forever...BTW, I've never heard of super gluing a pebble to the coral, but it sounds cool and logical...so that's a biggles' special tip :thumbsup:

The flame is being an a$$, chewing flubber and caps...so he'll probably never see the main system. The reason I'm so brave in trying out angels, is that I know that I can catch pretty much any fish in 5 minutes, thanks to the aquascape structures. Remove all rock, remove fish...... and done in 10 min flat :)

I haven't tested NO3 and PO4 in a while now. PO4 always showed higher thanks to the leaching rock. But now that the rock has been removed for curing, I can already see a couple frags coloring up. While lighting probably has some part to play, I agree that my primary issue is with water. I know a couple short cut ways to go ULNS quick, but I'd rather keep it simple, no adding unnecessary crap.... So reducing nutrients with just careful feeding, and regular water changes. It's a bit frustrating, since I feel that I'm 80% of the way there....just the remaining leg of the SPS color journey :)

Another thing that bothers me.... is that I can't understand why the millies are still damn dark, while most others are pastel? Also, some of the newer pieces are still brown, but I believe they'll color up soon, so that's understandable. Sigh, SPS and their colors :)

I've decided that rather than chase a few acros and risk jeopardizing the whole tank, I'll just wait it out for a month, as you said. All said and done, the tank has co-operated remarkably well, given all the stress I've subjected it to, so can't complain too much :)

Thanks for the advice biggles....soon soon soon :)
 
There is the possibility that just keeping things how they are now for another month or two might be all that's needed, they have been through a few sulk inducing things lately so they might just need a little time to get over that.

+1 to that... It could be a very good possibility. Although, what do I know since I'm still trying to build a system that can just keep things alive :bigeyes: Between the flat worms and meddling though, it really could just be a matter of time before they bounce back. From the pictures, things appear healthy but shy.

And keep in mind... "you know what" may have been sitting there with on PE or growth for the last month. But it's not doing nothing. It has been living and not dying at least! :bounce3: And that's an accomplishment in my book. Even if it is a more trivial accomplishment for you way more experienced reefers :dance: *SIGH* One day I'll be upset with a living coral not looking "pretty enough." LOL

I was thinking about chipping the you know what a bit, as you said, but was afraid, due to the lack of PE. But it's been a month, and its gotta do something!!!....Can't just be dormant like this forever...BTW, I've never heard of super gluing a pebble to the coral, but it sounds cool and logical...so that's a biggles' special tip
- Pinching tips, super gluing pebbles, chipping the base to encourage growth in a dormant piece... NOTED :beer:

The flame is being an a$$, chewing flubber and caps...so he'll probably never see the main system. The reason I'm so brave in trying out angels, is that I know that I can catch pretty much any fish in 5 minutes, thanks to the aquascape structures. Remove all rock, remove fish...... and done in 10 min flat

HmmmMMmMMM - Stop crushing my dreams! I don't want to be discouraged from keeping a Flame or Coral Beauty. :angryfire: I just want to hear fairy tales of model citizens! :idea:

That sounds like quite the battle. So are you thinking catch and release back to the LFS? I always had a small hope that I'd be able to pull one off in my reef. As always, I read about just as many successes as failures with them. Although I've heard heavily fed or fed often enough can keep them happy and help to minimize coral munching down to an occasional coral nip. Of course that doesn't go well if you're trying to run ULNS. Decisions, decisions.

I'm not sure I'd want to pull everything out to catch a fish. I don't think it would be 10 minutes for me. Even with my wife's helping hands. My reef would end up being: "Oh well, the Coral Beauty doesn't EAT these corals... So that's what my reef is made from." Rather then trying to catch and remove it. It would be so sad, and so lazy :sad2:

Now all this talk about shrimp is getting to me. I am getting close to being at a point where a shrimp my be a happy camper in my reef. You picked up a pair of cleaners? Do you keep or have plans for any different shrimp other then these new guys. We're playing with stocking list ideas and shrimp are a constant topic of discussion. Which ones and how many will we have in our 90 gallon reef?

I think you're on the right track from the looks of things Bello. You know how I work... S....L...O...W... ... ... ... ... ... Taking my time and letting things stew in my tank. I wonder if you'll see things bounce back if you give them a breather from any new changes. It's looking good to me though. So keep it up, I bet it'll be where you want it before you know it!
 
Oh, I meant to ask... So what is your layout looking like on your LED's now? I saw you went through a few rounds of swapping colors and such. I'm glad you gave me such good advice and then changed yours. SNEAKY!!! I see you're starting out the battle with some sabotage! LOL ;-) And here I thought we were on the same side all along. Hahahaha.

Where have you settled now on your ratio? I'm chomping at the bit to get some down time and crack open my delivered lighting box! I'm really curious and excited to know what this set up is going to be like.
 
I wouldn't be concerned about no PE, if it were a cheapo frag, but that one's pretty expensive. Worse yet, even if I'm willing to pay the price for it, it'll be months before I can get it again....so the tension begins :p

Speaking of shrimp...get some :p. I'll be trying out Peppermint shrimp, soon, hopefully, if I can get 'em.....In the hope that they eat the crap aiptasia I have. Word of advice, you don't want aiptasia...ever!!

Thing with Flames, as with other angelfish, they are individuals, with their own personality. The previous angel I had, was a model citizen, no nipping problems at all, this guy on the other hand has already knocked out a couple frags....so nope.. Thing is, its always gonna be a risk... if i were you, I'd buy an angel, keep him and some coral in the fuge, and then watch him....If he goes chomp chomp...you know what to do :p. So hopefully soon, I'll hopefully sell him off to another hobbyist with a fish only tank, most guys can't pass on flame angels :p

Angels don't need a lot of food...just enough (relative term), thing is you don't want too many bigger fish, that out compete it for food, if that makes any sense.

Things are certainly getting better with the tank....its just a matter of keeping things stable now :)...If someone told me a year ago, that this would be what my systems look like in a year....I'd gladly take it :)


I didn't mess around much with the leds. I did it primarily to see if colors looked better. Didn't really make a big difference. Tried swapping out cool whites for warm whites....didn't work out well....the greens looked a bit washed out. Also removed a couple 420's for cyan and royal blue. That seems alright.

Oooohhh you got the leds??? Better get busy....take a few days off :p
The ratio at the moment is about 2:1, blues to whites. PM me if you want detail :p

Let me see what you're up to :p
 
I like the way you're dealing with things mate, totally agree in giving things a little time and not going stupid adding extra stuff to deal with what is a temporary situation. I'm doing the same at present and only feeding the fish until i get things under tight control again with my nutrients.
Not too sure what's going on with your milli's mate. It has to be low light or dirty water as i know you know what you're doing. That prostrata i lowered is a bit poopy but now i can see the inside facing corallites it still looks bloody nice and should be nuts when it adjusts over the next few weeks. I've always found milli's to be good at different light levels although they do tend to be higher light favoring generally in my experience. I'm guessing it's the water still considering it's happening to multiple pieces so give it some more time until you clean all that excess phos etc from the water and things are clean and stable for a month or so.
You really are close close close buddy :thumbsup:
 
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