oceanparadise1
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what garlic do you use and where do i get it i would like to start feeding this to my fish.
Curing Ich in Display Tank?
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oceanparadise1
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so your saying garlic wont do anything for the fish
oceanparadise1
In Memoriam
but as a prevent for ich? nothing huh
downhillbiker
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MANY MANY people grant a great deal of success to garlic, but it isn't proven. It is said to boost their immune systems, and keep them eating. I think this is certainly a good possibility and is worth while. I use kent marine's Garlic Extreme, however, I just made a batch of sea food mix and used frozen ground garlic cubes in that.
I would say nothing. Look the few diseases that we call Ich are pretty easy to kill off for ever. I personally have played with garlic and so many other elixirs I cant count. Why mess around?
If you had a cut on your arm that was infected with staphylococcus and I said, “look heres the deal I can treat that with antibiotics which will if fact cure you, or I could give you some garlic and pray for you which may cure itâ€Â… which would you go for? It isn’t the same thing…because the cure factor is so much larger then in any human disease.
If you had a cut on your arm that was infected with staphylococcus and I said, “look heres the deal I can treat that with antibiotics which will if fact cure you, or I could give you some garlic and pray for you which may cure itâ€Â… which would you go for? It isn’t the same thing…because the cure factor is so much larger then in any human disease.
cloak
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My tank has been running since spring of 2000. It's been overstocked with fish at times, it's been barren at times. I bought an Ocellaris clown a few months ago. Two weeks later I got another one. A month after that I got a 3" Atlantic blue tang. None of them have been through quarantine. They're all doing great. For all the things that have come and gone over the years, what do you think would stem an outbreak of ich in my tank?
sanababit
Active member
harper, i know that you have a lot of experience (20+) years and i understand what you are saying, i dont want to sound rude, but i have tried qt w/ copper or hypo for 2 months and still got it, there maybe no articles or studies about using garlic, but if i see that my fish are 1 year old (which is not long i know) and every so often i see ich, then its time to feed with garlic, it does work, i am living proof, heck my fish are living proof, now i will not debate you cause what you are saying is also true, but for me, i rather enjoy seeing my fish in the display than having them another 8 weeks in a cramp tank, watching for ammonia, changing water every 2-3 days, added stress, etc....good luck on whatever you decide downhillbiker
sana
sana
Sanababit,
Here’s the thing if your fish are sick let's cure them. There are a few diseases that we can fix for sure:
Amyloodinium ocellatum
Cryptocaryon irritans
http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2003-08/sp/index.php
http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2004-07/sp/feature/index.php
There are other diseases, lets cure them. Lets not mess around with garbage. Fish keepers have been killing the above bugs for 40 years, it is silly to kill your fish because somebody says they have a new elixir….
Look, it’s cool to experiment with garlic on your f2 and f3’s like me. It is so far from cool to experiment on fish that you picked up from the fish store. If you have not breed the fish, there is no question that you WILL use an established CURE for your fish!
Thank you for a green planet,
Harper
Here’s the thing if your fish are sick let's cure them. There are a few diseases that we can fix for sure:
Amyloodinium ocellatum
Cryptocaryon irritans
http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2003-08/sp/index.php
http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2004-07/sp/feature/index.php
There are other diseases, lets cure them. Lets not mess around with garbage. Fish keepers have been killing the above bugs for 40 years, it is silly to kill your fish because somebody says they have a new elixir….
Look, it’s cool to experiment with garlic on your f2 and f3’s like me. It is so far from cool to experiment on fish that you picked up from the fish store. If you have not breed the fish, there is no question that you WILL use an established CURE for your fish!
Thank you for a green planet,
Harper
saltyputty
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IMHO, it was not a magic elixir in my case, but a combination of methods, diligence and persistence.
I cannot demonstrate that garlic does anything for the fish scientifically, but based on observation my treatment, has been, for me, successful.
Will I get ich in the tank again? Probably.
Will I QT the fish that have it and are still eating? No.
Putting all the fish you have in a 20 gallon to me seems more stressful that the ich, but that is only my opinion.
Having this on your fish is not fun, and I hope whatever method you choose, it is successful for you.
I cannot demonstrate that garlic does anything for the fish scientifically, but based on observation my treatment, has been, for me, successful.
Will I get ich in the tank again? Probably.
Will I QT the fish that have it and are still eating? No.
Putting all the fish you have in a 20 gallon to me seems more stressful that the ich, but that is only my opinion.
Having this on your fish is not fun, and I hope whatever method you choose, it is successful for you.
oceanparadise1
In Memoriam
i love all the input how can one go wrong on this site
You can go wrong if your are not good at soritng the wheat from the chaff.Here is my response to an earlier thread on this subject.When ich shows up you have a basic choice to make in the context of the situation. Treat the fish and leave the display fishless for a minimum of 6 weeks or don't treat the fish.
The only way to treat the fish is with copper, hyposalinity or the tank transfer method.
There are no other proven treatments. There are anecdotes and theories,placebos , equipment,elixirs and potions supported by the fact that some fish do survive cryptocaryon irritans (ich) and develop partial immunity without treatment.
Some of the non treatment actions frequently taken include the following:
Lysmata amboinensis(cleaner shrimp) . They preen the fish. Many believe they eat ich. Gut studies have not supported the idea that they eat this protozoan,however. Some note that the white spots are exit wounds and the eating observed is actually the shrimp picking at the exposed flesh.I have them but don't expect them to help too much if at all against ich.
Garlic and more precisely the active ingredient in it ,allicin, is widely believed to enhance the human immuno system. It is a big leap to assume it has the same benefit when administered via soaked food for marine fish but it might. However, allicin is only active for an hour or two after after the garlic clove is squeezed. The prodcuts on the hobby market are preserved concentrates which makes their value against ich even more dubious. ( Garlic Guard by Seachem does claim to contain allicin)Some have begun to question wether prolonged use may be harmful to the reef. None of the manufacturers of the hobby products actually claim it will enhance the immune system of fish or prevent or treat parasitic infections. I use it lightly.
UV sterilizers. They only effect what passes through them. So in the best case they would only effect parasites that were sucked in not those on the fish nor the cysts. Even then the protozoan parasite is relatively large and it would take a significantly oversized uv to kill them. They are very good tools for water clarity and killling of smaller organisms such as bacteria and phytoplankton.I use them.
Diatom filters. This is mentioned once in a while as a method to screen out the swimming ich. It may have some promise and I would like to learn more about it.
Keeping the light on for several days. I think this does more harm than good to your tank and will not based on my reading stop the ich. It is based on the idea that the parasites usually hatch at night which is true ,but when there is no night they don't seem to have a problem hatching in the day.
Maintain good water quality; provide nutitious diets, keep stable ph ,salinity and temperature and minimize aggression are all good things to do even if ich is not in your system but when it is they are even more important since your fish even though not showing signs are likely a bit weaker than they migh be otherwise.
Don't add new fish for 11months. This is the time it takes for a single ich strain to expire. since it has a limited number of times it can reprocue (34).
Good Luck
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Tom
Hobby Experience: 40yrs+overall,6yrs reef,9tanks,largest is a 120g reef
Current Tanks: 500g system consisting of a 120g reef sps mixed,a 90g lps,a 90g sps dominant,a 30g breeder lps frag tank ,a 40g sps frag tank,a 20g refugium,a29g refugium, an 88gal sump with live rock and rubble. Calcium reactor and kalk doser , mh pc and vho
Interests: Marine aquariums,fishing,reading,Bill's football, Sabres' hockey
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Tom
Hobby Experience: 40yrs+overall,6yrs reef,9tanks,largest is a 120g reef
Current Tanks: 500g system consisting of a 120g reef sps mixed,a 90g lps,a 90g sps dominant,a 30g breeder lps frag tank ,a 40g sps frag tank,a 20g refugium,a29g refugium, an 88gal sump with live rock and rubble. Calcium reactor and kalk doser , mh pc and vho
Interests: Marine aquariums,fishing,reading,Bill's football, Sabres' hockey
downhillbiker
New member
WOW. thanks for the help. I have never heard of the strain only being able to reproduce 34 times. I dont know if that is true or not, dont really see how that would work. That would be nice though. If you can keep your fish healthy for 11 months and the strain dies, that is much easier. I currently am just going to feed garlic. I have a 36w uv sterilizer on my 72 gallon tank, and plan on slowing the flow through it to increase the kill rate. I have the cleaner shrimp, and do weekly water changes.
I am just going to keep an eye on them, as long as there are only a few spots on them, I will leave them be, if they start to get covered in the white spots, and the fish stop eating, I will move to QT.
I am just going to keep an eye on them, as long as there are only a few spots on them, I will leave them be, if they start to get covered in the white spots, and the fish stop eating, I will move to QT.
stuccodude
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it is proven that mosquitos wont host a person with garlic in there system, maybe the same for ich and fish, maybe, maybe not.i know it got my fish through it about a year and a half ago.
