Cyano/Red Slime Bacteria

DEXTER SOLIS

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hi folks,
any tips on controlling cyano bacteria in a 75 gal tank?
use RODI water. I am planning to increase flow, my skimmer is rated for 135 gallons. Im possibly overfeeding, but anything else Im missing? :confused:
 
I thought it was usually from high nutrience in the water, did anything die in the tank lately or go missing?

Also phosphates have you tried to run Rowaphos or something similar and try and vacuum up the cyana best you can and some small frequeent water changes worked for me when I had an outbreak after an BTA died

good luck
 
Hi Dex

I would siphon out with a piece of tubing all the cyano you can. Then I would increase the water flow and do a large water change. I think the key is getting the nutrients out of the tank. And if you can cut back on the feeding. IMO it seems alot of people get outbreaks of cyano and unless it is a constant source of excessive nutrients the problem usually goes away.

Andy
 
I am currently battling cyano in my tank, which is relatively new. I've cut back on feeding, am siphoning the cyano every other day and doing 10% water changes every 3 days. The problem still persists. I just changed the media in my phosban reactor and there have been no deaths in the tank. I'm trying to be patient with this and am waiting for the beneficial algae to take hold. I also use RODI water and all parameters are good.
Frank
 
What I've been told is that nutrients are the trouble, and the best to do is keep water flow high, increase pH a little to increase skimming efficiency, and clean the skimmer daily. The trick is to skim the tank heavily and do water changes to get those nutrients out.

Also, sea hares eat it :). Whatever you do, don't bother with medications--they work quickly, but you'll regret it in the long run--if you don't remove the cause, it will come back, and the medications will mess with other things in the tank.
 
[Sea hares eat itQUOTE]<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12181415#post12181415 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Editour2
Sea Hares eat it? Where can you get sea hares and once the cyano is gone will they be a problem? [/QUOTE]
 
I could be wrong, but I was under the impression that nothing in the trade eats cyano. Some detrivores and algae eaters will remove it to get at the rock underneath or get what's stuck in the slime mats, but they don't actually eat the cyano. If I'm wrong Christine, point me towards the literature so I can learn something new.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12180507#post12180507 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Spracklcat
What I've been told is that nutrients are the trouble, and the best to do is keep water flow high, increase pH a little to increase skimming efficiency, and clean the skimmer daily. The trick is to skim the tank heavily and do water changes to get those nutrients out.

Also, sea hares eat it :). Whatever you do, don't bother with medications--they work quickly, but you'll regret it in the long run--if you don't remove the cause, it will come back, and the medications will mess with other things in the tank.

Unfortunately, I'd have to agree with this. I did a little experimenting this week.

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1353860
 
water changes dex, up the maintence on the tank. took me two months of constant changes and changing carbon, skiming gunk out, and raising the ph to get mine under control. stay away from those miracle cures. just makes matters worse.
 
Dex mentioned it in his first post, but increasing the flow helped me a lot on my 29g. my return pump broke and i had to use a powerhead as my return pump and the cyano appeared out of nowhere and went nuts. days after getting a new pump it was gone.

I know getting rid of the nutrients is still important, but the flow at least helps with the slime.
 
numb nuts,

as I have told you a few times before, Special Blend. This has been done more then once in the office tank, in Pierce tank and in my tanks at home. Takes 5 weeks but it works.
 
there is at least one anti-cancer agent, dolastatin, which was originally isolated from our common sea hare. They collected tons of them to get dolastatin, until someone figured out that the dolastatin was not made by the sea hare, but was made by the cyanobacteria that the sea hare ate. :o

(plus they have eaten cyano in my tank)
papers:

where they find the anti-cancer agent in sea hares:
Biochem Pharmacol. 1992 Jun 23;43(12):2637-45.
Dolastatin 15, a potent antimitotic depsipeptide derived from Dolabella auricularia. Interaction with tubulin and effects of cellular microtubules.

Much later after they figured out it was from the cyanobacterial diet (note quoted section I pulled from the article below the reference)
ASAP J. Nat. Prod., ASAP Article, 10.1021/np070346o
Web Release Date: March 25, 2008

Copyright © 2008 American Chemical Society and American Society of Pharmacognosy
Isolation and Structure Determination of Malevamide E, a Dolastatin 14 Analogue, from the Marine Cyanobacterium Symploca laete-viridis⊥

"Cyanobacteria belonging to the genus Symploca (Oscillatoriaceae) have recently emerged as productive sources of structurally interesting and biologically active natural products. . .Several of these compounds are close analogues of the dolastatins, which were first reported from the sea hare Dolabella auricularia.9 In fact, dolastatin 10,10 one of two D. auricularia isolates to reach phase II clinical trials as an investigational anticancer agent,11 was more recently isolated from a Symploca species.12 The cyanobacterial origin of sea hare isolates (especially from Lyngbya and Symploca spp.) has been reviewed by Luesch and co-workers.
 
I had one, it got sucked in by one of the PH's, not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed.

turned off the lights & will be doing 20% water changes. will also be adding special blend as I hate being called numb nuts.

as far as I have read, they are cyano are hybrids part algae part bacteria & THE OTHER PART IS WARREN. cutting the light & decreasing nutrients in the water is the natural way, be it mechanical skimming, beneficial bacteria or whatever. thanks guys.

on a side note, I will also add a small pump in my RO container, "bio-film" developing on the water surface could be another source. even though we use RO water, air borne microbes can settle & thrive in our moist & warm......contianers. eeewwwww!
 
Christine - Cool, thanks. Off topic, do you know if they ever got anywhere with the dolastatin research? Interesting that this noxious slime may lead to an important med.
 
What's special blend? Where in suffolk county can you purchase a sea hare? Any specific type? Are they reef safe after they finish with the cyano?
 
I have only seen two kinds in the trade, dont get the blue spot sea hare, they are not as hard working as the uglier cousin.

special blend is beneficial bacteria in a bottle.
 
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