Cyano - Sand Only? Tried everything...

BigUnit83

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Hi RC friends,

I've had my reef tank for almost a year now. It's a great Reefer 350 system. I went big from the beginning, getting mostly top notch equipment.

LEDs: 2 Radion Pro XR30s
Skimmer: Vertex Omega 150
Return Pump: Sicce Silent 4.0
Propellers: 1 MP40WQD and 1 MP10WQD
Controller: Neptune Apex (2016 Model)
Salt: Red Sea Coral Pro
RODI: BRS 6 stage system
Reactor: 1 reactor (combo of Carbon and GFO)

I've basically gone through all the ups and downs imaginable (at least I think) throughout the first year. I got bit with ich in my display tank, adjusted my quarantine procedures, and things have been stable since from a livestock point of view. Sand is a different story...Even though i have virtually no algae on the rocks, stupid cyano continuously pops up, on my sand only. It is a very thin layer and cannot be scooped up. Once I stir the sand it goes away, but eventually comes back within 24 hours.

I am using high quality salt and water, along with a rigorous change schedule. Water measurements are consistently good. Here are my numbers from Sunday.

Ammonia: 0
Nitrite: 0.014 ppm
Nitrate: 2 ppm
Phosphate: 0

I understand that a 0 phosphate reading may mean that its getting sucked up by the algae, but like I said before, there is barely any visible algae anywhere except the sand. Here are some steps I have taken to get rid of the cyano.

Chemi-Clean (good results at first)
Dose for 3 days with zero lights. Works great at first (though annoyingly screws up my skimmer for a while), but the red coating on the sand eventually comes back.

Reduced Light Intensity (doesn't do much)
My radions are pretty powerful. I reduced the percentages throughout the entire day. For example, my current setting only goes over 50% intensity for 2 hours per day. The rest are between 5% and 15%. Total of 8 hours of light. No green or red lights used.

Adjusted propeller water flow (doesn't do much)
I've changed the placement of my power heads and messed with different type of currents to enable a "cleaning" period each day.

Clean-Up Crew
I've got plenty of snails and crabs, a Fire Red Shrimp, and even tried a sand sifting star before it died. They don't really eat the red coating on the sand.

Water Changes
As a standard, I do a 30% water change every other week. For a period of time, I was doing 20% changes every few days. I cannot keep up with any more water changes, and it doesn't seem to be working.

Supplements
I originally did not have any reactor installed, but added a Carbon/GFO mixture. I change this out every two weeks. The water is really clear and I get good PO4 readings, but theres still a red/brown coating on the sand.

I am at a loss on where to go from here, which is why I am asking the experts...I love the fish, corals, and aquascape in my system, and I even have some cool coralline algae growing. The hideous sand is the only thing preventing it from popping.

Here is an example pic from today.

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what exactly have you tried? It would make it easier for us to assist you knowing what has failed to date.
 
Are you guys not seeing the pic above? I can post more later today.

I also posted some things I've done to try and reduce it. Mainly:
Chemi-Clean treatments - works great but is only temporary
Moving my powerheads around to ensure constant flow is covering the entire sandbed.
Lower light settings/Less total light time
Added carbon and GFO supplements

Another weird thing I noticed is that the coating on the sand is most apparent in the early afternoon. It almost goes away once time hits nightfall, even if my lights are still at the same power.
 
Are you running GFO in a reactor?
What kind of GFO are you using.
How often do you change it?
What and how much/often are you feeding the tank?
 
72 hour total blackout. Just try it. It's free and no chemicals.

^^ +10!

I did a three day TOTAL blackout a while back when I had a Cyano problem and it took care of it for me! :thumbsup:
 
You are at the end of the cycle - not Ammonia to Nitrate for a fish-cycle, but Nitrate to N Gas for a reef cycle. Any tank with sand and some rock will be able to turn any amount of nitrate into N gas quite effectively once the bacterial base is established. Just wait it out a few more months. Anything that you do to inhibit the cyano will just stall things. If you used dry/dead rock, this is contributing to this and also just needs time to settle down.

It can take a year, or more, for a tank to be able to process N on it own... and to some degree P by binding and unbinding with the aragonite. Just keep up your routine water changes and you should see some settling in a few more months.
 
You are at the end of the cycle - not Ammonia to Nitrate for a fish-cycle, but Nitrate to N Gas for a reef cycle. Any tank with sand and some rock will be able to turn any amount of nitrate into N gas quite effectively once the bacterial base is established. Just wait it out a few more months. Anything that you do to inhibit the cyano will just stall things. If you used dry/dead rock, this is contributing to this and also just needs time to settle down.

It can take a year, or more, for a tank to be able to process N on it own... and to some degree P by binding and unbinding with the aragonite. Just keep up your routine water changes and you should see some settling in a few more months.



It's a GREAT point: let the nature do its thing...

I also have some cyano, I'm manually removing the maximum I can, but I know this is temporary and it's part of the natural cycle... I'm not doing any chemical, nor other special activity besides removing with a turkey baster...

Nice thought on not having lights for 72 hours, I'll do that today!

Again, great info!

- BarIzoN -


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Want your sand white and beautiful??

Sand sifting Diamond Goby.

Done.

-James

My experience has been that they get the job done in a normal tank with no issues, but when you have cyano that you try to remove and then it's back in a matter of hours, the diamond goby doesn't move around quick enough. They tend to pick a spot and stay in that general area for a while before moving on to the next spot.
Plus, isn't cyano toxic if consumed?
 
It is definitely toxic to your snails, who consume it and die, which adds to the nutrient issue causing the cyano.
 
@jda I think you are on to something. This is the first I have heard of the reef cycle. My tank is about 9 months old so it is relatively new. It also explains why every treatment option I have tried doesn't work...I did use Pukani dry rock.

In this most recent attempt to remove the cyano, I ended up doing two consecutive does of ChemiClean. Sand turned pearly white, but now that I have done a number of water changes: 30%, 30%, and 20% in less than a week (skimmer is still crazy), I am noticing trace amounts of cyano appearing on my sand again...Enraging.

Even worse, during the first ChemiClean dose, I left the skimmer off too long and my fish were becoming oxygen deprived. I was able to turn it on in time before anyone died, but then it exposed ich on my tang. I had my tank fallow for 10 weeks, treating the affected fish with cupramine, so I thought I had gotten rid of the ich. Apparently not, and it has since taken my Powder Blue :(

I am going to leave the cyano alone for a few months as suggested, and keep up with my maintenance, even though it is terribly ugly. Separately, I now have to figure out what to do with the ich. Catching all the fish was impossible last time and I ended up having to drain my tank and take out the rock. I am really not wanting to do that again, but I am obviously worried about the longevity of my current survivors.
 
Chemiclean. Only surefire way to get it out. I tried a week blackout, only result of that was killing my jawfish. Cyano was back within a day. 2-4 days of chemiclean in the tank and boom its all gone. Doesnt touch anything else, but you need to turn off skimmer and remove carbon. Cyano gone within a few days.
 
A total blackout may have snails eating your sand-sleeping fish alive. Go on room lights only if this might be an issue.
 
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