tmz said:
Do you know what spirulina is, btw?
Sure do, it is a species of green cyanobacteria. Not the Red Cyanobacteria we have been discussing. It is processed, heated, desiccated, and many times irradiated as it is manufactured into fish food. Have you ever had a green cyano outbreak after feeding spirulina or ever heard of one? I haven't.
tmz said:
I guess we've got the argument .No point in going further with it it.
There are plenty of chemiclean threads ; this one is about a cyano scrubber idea . I think it's been hijacked long enough,so take the last word if you must
but let me make sure I understand your points
So you are ending a hijack you have been an active participant in. Pot calls the kettle black there. I wasn't trying to have the last word, just civilly, not condescendingly, responding to yours and other posts on the chemiclean question I asked in this thread.
tmz said:
first:
. Here goes:
You can sterilize cyano bacteria out of your tank with chemiclean and you strongly advise others to use it . Chemiclean can be readily used without doing seen and unseen harm to other organisms in the tanks . It doesn't matter that we don't know what's in it and can't really asses what it might do. We know it kills cyano bacteria.
I posted my experience using chemiclean and state it is an option for those wanting to be rid of it. IME I have not had any tank issues that have crashed any system as long as the directions are followed exactly. Did I ever say no one else might not? No. I stated I have not.
Many folks successfully use Tech M to rid their tanks of bryopsis, and the active ingredient in that product that kills bryopsis is unknown to most. Unfortunately, in this hobby, anecdotal experience sometimes is what leads to solutions for issues instead of pure scientific research.
Unfortunately, your condescending summarization of my points tries to make it appear as if I am making a universal claim for how chemiclean works and will work for all users. I am not. I simply stated how it has worked for me in my own reef tanks.
tmz said:
Further it sterilizes the tank so well that cyano wont come back for at least a year an then it only does so because you add something that has it.
I stated if I had to average how many times I have had a recurrence of red cyano in my tanks, is has been 1-2 years between outbreaks. And when I have had one it has followed a new fish or coral being placed into the tank. Again, my experience with the product, and not a statement for how it will exactly work for all users, albeit your biased summary attempts to make it sound as if I am saying that.
tmz said:
Despite the fact that it is ubiquitous across the globe and food some enriched with with some variants of it is fed to the tank it won't shjow up in a tank previously sterilized with chemiclean. The fact that variants are ubiquitous and adapt to the harshest environs on the globe , even in minerals like calcium and lime makes no difference. It won't show up in a tank sterilized with chemiclean unless you put it back in with with new rock or something else .
Red cyano has not come back in my tanks. Again, just posting my experience and not making any universal product claims as you would have it appear.
tmz said:
Even food loaded with it wont bring it back once chemiclean has done it's thing if the food is somehow sterilized .
I have not experienced a recurrence feeding the foods I listed in a previous post. Did I state that any and all foods could not add red cyano spores that could cause it to redevelop? No. Just my experience with the foods I listed. No broad aquarium food industry covering statements here, just my experience.
tmz said:
The numerous folks who have had difficulty and have done harm to animals in their tanks with the chemiclean treatments can be dismissed since they are just not attentive or smart enough to follow directions carefully.
Sorry, but do not put words in my mouth. I never stated users that had problems were not smart enough. That is your use of a derogatory description, not mine. The cases I have seen personally with any chemiclean issues have been user error, mainly not manually removing as much red cyano as possible prior to treatment. I cannot state that is the case with all issues, just the ones I have seen myself.
tmz said:
I totally disagree with all of that.
Which is perfectly within your rights, the same as it is for me to post my personal experience with a product.
tmz said:
Recommend it all you want. Folks can use it if they wish . I think it's risky business and do not recommend it at all ,ever, anymore. Just too many failiures and unknowns. Ther ar much better ways to get rid of cyano bacteria with a little effort,imo.
That is the great thing about these Forums, readers have the ability to take what they wish, and leave the rest. There may be some failures/tank crashes related to chemiclean use that are not the result of user error. I cannot say yes or no to that, but that has not been my experience in my use of the product.
