cycle not really happening why?

rogergolf66

im an addict lol
Well I setup my tank and added water on Live sand and 100LBS of live rock on June 8th I have been testing the water every 2 days the nitrites and nitrates have been 0 every time and the Amonia has only gone up to .5 it will be 2 weeks tommorow is that normal? I thought the ammonia would spike already?

Thanks
Roger
 
so why did amonia go to .5

Roger

yes the rock was cured it was in my other tank.

so are you saying the tank will not cycle and it dosn't need to cycle or are you saying the rock will not cycle the tank and I need to cycle it a different way? or are you saying the cycle is over? but I don't think it is over because the nitrates and nitrites never went above 0

so what do you think?

Roger
 
what he is saying is that, if the rock was already cured, that means it's already got the beneficial bacteria colonized on it and when ammonia/nitrite are present, they will be dealt with faster than you can get out the test kit and register them. This just means the cycle probably happened the moment you stuck the rock in and before you got the testing done for the first time.

The ammonia being at 0.5ppm could just be your test kit. My AP brand test kit always shows at a minimum .025 on the color chart, weather there is ammonia or not, just inaccurate that way.

Now all that being said, if there is no bioload being added to the tank, such as dieoff from uncured rock, you wil not see ammonia or nitrite or nitrates. You need something "filthing" up the water for the rock to actual cycle anything. I would keep testing for ammonia and nitrite, nitrates will show up soon enough, especially after you start adding livestock. Maybe get some dead jumbo shrimp (1 piece) and stick it in the tank, that'll get a cycle started for sure, or use a freshwater molly for a couple weeks (acclimate for about 4-6 hours to get him in full saltwater).
Since there is some doubt as to weather you had a cycle, just take it nice and slow and don't go add 30 fish tommorrow.
 
If your ammonia did go up then it did (or is) cycling a little. The cycle is caused by the die off from the live rock decaying. This in turn turns to ammonia then eventually all the good bacteria on your live rock and sand bed grows and turns the bacteria into nitrite then nitrate. So long as you had some sort of a cycle I think it should be fine once all the ammonia is gone as long as you add your livestock very slowly. As far as not having any nitrates or nitrites they are broken down by the anarobic bacteria in your live rock and sand bed.
 
Don’t know if your situation is normal but, as a comparison - I just finished cycling my tank with semi-cured live rock and live sand. My ammonia took about 4 days to start increasing and my nitrate and nitrate stayed at zero until the end of the 2nd week. During the next two weeks everything had spiked and declined to zero.

You may just need to wait a few more days. Big differences in how long it takes based on many factors.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10187225#post10187225 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Davidb6
Big differences in how long it takes based on many factors.

Exactly!! Every tank is different to some extent, even when setup identical to each other, their will be differences.
 
well it is going on week 3 and still no spike in ammonia, still no trace of nitites or nitates, so tonight I added a fish. He ate like a king before I added him so he should be pooping soon hope this helps. I am wondering because the rock was so established is it posible for the tank to not do a cycle?

I was wondering and I am thinking if that is posible then the tank will not increase ammonia and such even with the fish in the tank. So If I have no increase after 2 weeks then I am going to add more stuff. I don't think this will be the case however. It would be cool if my levels always stayed at zero.

Roger
 
Yes you want to have it running as well as your skimmer for sure. When you say wet dry, are you using bio balls? If so I would reccemend (and I'm sure others will agree) that you should get rid of the bio balls and just live rock for biological filtration.
 
Yes I would agree to get rid of the bioballs, but I would wait entill after your tank is cycled to remove them. Remove about 1/4 of them every 2 weeks till they are all out of the system.

Roger
 
FWIW....... when I put in 50 pounds of LR in my new 75 about a month agi, The cycle took MAYBE 5 days.......The LR was Cured and spent 2 days in shipping....I also ran my skimmer from the moment I put the LR in......HTH!
 
Many tanks never show any ammonia at all. I've set up two tanks like that. I wouldn't worry.

FWIW = for what it's worth
HTH = hope that helps
 
Just stock up slowly, and everything should be fine. If you want to test the system, you could try feeding a tiny bit of food each day, to simulate animal load, and see how that goes.
 
well it is very odd. I have put 2 fish in one last week and one last night. All my levels are still all zero. Is this normal when using live rock to cycle? I have only used fish in the past.

Roger
 
That's within the bounds of normal. I've set up two tanks that never showed any ammonia. It's more common for something on the live rock to die and decay, but either way is fine.
 
It's possible for a tank to cycle in just a few days. But a newly cycled tank can't handle much bio-load without resulting in an ammonia spike. My suggestion would be to very slowly stock it. I wouldn't add any more fish for a month, and then add one fish every month until it's fully stocked.
 
even with 180 gallons of water I should only add 3 inches of fish per month.

that seems very conservite?

Roger

the next fish going in are 2 clowns one about 3 inches the other about 1 1/2 inches.

then a shrimp gobie about 3 1/2 inches
jail bird 2 inches

lawn mower gobie 3 1/2 inches.
 
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