Deltec vs. Euroreef
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This is a common problem with skimmers
This is a common problem with skimmers
This is a common problem with skimmers
They take a pump, a air mixing system. chamber, neck and height, but do not engineer them to work together. Some produce bubbles, others just never tune in or stay tuned. I went through the expensive learning curve, I think I found the best for my needs now, finally.
RC500 Average Load 500+ gal
Heavy Load 350+ gal Up to 1000 gal +
footprint 22 x 24
heigth 30"
neck diameter 5.5
body diameter 12
pumps- SPE5 x 3 120W eheim 1262
2400 lph
in/out 1.0" 1.25"
$1838 @ h20 tropic or $1560 (the older version though) at premium
Deltec
Capacity: Normal Stocking: 660g
Heavy Stocking: 480g
Pump: 2 x Eheim 1260
Total Power Usage: 104 watts
Air Intake: 1600 L/H
H2O Throughput: 800gph
Dimensions: Length: 25" Width: 13" Height: 39"
Cylinder: 10"
Intake/Return Pipe: Height: 22"/23"
Intake/Return Union 1/1.5
$1869
thus I do not see how 1 can be so crappy when by looking at the stats they should be pretty close in performance. Even though 1 has a larger reaction chamber & also sucks in more air........
Heavy Load 350+ gal Up to 1000 gal +
footprint 22 x 24
heigth 30"
neck diameter 5.5
body diameter 12
pumps- SPE5 x 3 120W eheim 1262
2400 lph
in/out 1.0" 1.25"
$1838 @ h20 tropic or $1560 (the older version though) at premium
Deltec
Capacity: Normal Stocking: 660g
Heavy Stocking: 480g
Pump: 2 x Eheim 1260
Total Power Usage: 104 watts
Air Intake: 1600 L/H
H2O Throughput: 800gph
Dimensions: Length: 25" Width: 13" Height: 39"
Cylinder: 10"
Intake/Return Pipe: Height: 22"/23"
Intake/Return Union 1/1.5
$1869
thus I do not see how 1 can be so crappy when by looking at the stats they should be pretty close in performance. Even though 1 has a larger reaction chamber & also sucks in more air........
DeltecRules
New member
Your comparing a euro 3 pump skimmer to a deltec two pump skimmer in a AP902 so with three pumps I would say more air is being pulled try comparing to a AP703
AP703
Capacity: Normal Stocking: 800g
Heavy Stocking: 530g
Pump: 3 x Eheim 1260
Total Power Usage: 156 watts
Air Intake: 2700 L/H
H2O Throughput: 740gph
Dimensions: Length: 21" Width: 21" Height: 27"
Cylinder: 12"
Intake/Return Pipe: Height: 8.5"/11.75"
Intake/Return Union: 1"/1.5"
Optional: Self-Cleaning Head
Download: AP Series Skimmers Instructions - pdf
Price: $3,159.00
AP703
Capacity: Normal Stocking: 800g
Heavy Stocking: 530g
Pump: 3 x Eheim 1260
Total Power Usage: 156 watts
Air Intake: 2700 L/H
H2O Throughput: 740gph
Dimensions: Length: 21" Width: 21" Height: 27"
Cylinder: 12"
Intake/Return Pipe: Height: 8.5"/11.75"
Intake/Return Union: 1"/1.5"
Optional: Self-Cleaning Head
Download: AP Series Skimmers Instructions - pdf
Price: $3,159.00
It depends on which pump/pumps ER is testing/sending out when you order yours, "Beta Test" is like playing the lottery. Rusting heat sinks on the pumps, shattering shaft, "Just drill out the venturi and you'll be fine" Thats not useing a drill to clean as Deltec suggests, but drilling it out to make it large enough to work and thinning the walls so it will break, lol.
Jim_S
Timo Boll
If everything needs to be balanced perfectly, how come the custom H&S skimmers work so well? It seems that H&S will make a skimmer whatever size the customer needs. Aren't they just slapping pumps on skimmer bodies? Are they making inferior units? The customs that I have seen work pretty good IMO.
I think that matching the pump to the body the properly is the way to go, but I don't believe its that difficult.
Jim
I think that matching the pump to the body the properly is the way to go, but I don't believe its that difficult.
Jim
ridetheducati
20 and Over Club
H&S engineers evaluate and approve all custom configurations prior to production. If they feel that the custom config falls outside of tolerance the customer is notified.
Other vendors have taken the Microsoft path and force their customers to do final user acceptance testing before the product is ready.
Other vendors have taken the Microsoft path and force their customers to do final user acceptance testing before the product is ready.
I disagree.
1- The skimmers I listed are rated for similar size aquariums BY THE MANUFACTURERS
2- the skimmers have similar prices
At least I know when I go car shopping I compare similar priced cars. I do not consider vehicles that are almost 50% more expensive in any pricepoint!
OK, so we do consider the skimmer you listed. Pulls less air, costs $1300-1500 more, consimers more power hmmmmm..... they are just so superior aren't they:bum: For $1300-1500 you could go with 2 RC500's & I would hope that would work a little better then the $3200 deltec..... I know the deltecs & H&S stuff are awesome products. The ER bashing just gets pretty old .......
With the beta talk..... you all do realize it's a test. I would be ****ed if my pump rusted on me but still..... it's a test
Reefmaniac1
Active member
Unless I'm misreading the charts, the Deltec AP703 actually pulls MORE air at 2700LPH versus 2400 LPH for the ER skimmer.
I really know nothing about the beta tests, always thought it was free.
I personally wouldn't pay $100 for a 5-2 because it's just to small to do anything. No clue why they even make a skimmer like that then again if people are stupid enough to buy them, I guess them might as well try to hit that market.
Jim_S
Timo Boll
viggen,
actually the Beta Tests were skimmers that were sold at a large discount. For example, my RC180 was like $600
And since then, ER has BENT OVER BACKWARDS to make sure that I recieved ALL upgrades, which included two impellers, and a whole new SP4 pump, all of which were provided FREE of charge as soon as they were available. And as far as I know, all the other Beta Testers were also given new pumps if they asked. Now thats great CS IMHO! I've delt with this company far more than most who have posted. And all my experiences have been great. Trust me 
With regards to the 703 pulling more air, I'm sure it has something to do with the skimmer's height. The 703 is 3" shorter, meaning less head. Less head = more air.
H&S, Deltec and ER are all great skimmers IMO. And the only reason you have ER supporters backing up their products constantly is simply because of the way some people rip them on a constant basis. If you don't like ER products, thats cool with me. But you don't need to constanly rip them on every thread. It would be like if Dirtyreefer were to get on every skimmer thread and rip Deltec for the small fortune he spent on $25 worth of stuff.
Off my box....
Happy new year to all! I'm about to catch a flight to Tokyo for two weeks! Should be some pretty sweet set ups over there!
Cheers,
Jim
actually the Beta Tests were skimmers that were sold at a large discount. For example, my RC180 was like $600
And since then, ER has BENT OVER BACKWARDS to make sure that I recieved ALL upgrades, which included two impellers, and a whole new SP4 pump, all of which were provided FREE of charge as soon as they were available. And as far as I know, all the other Beta Testers were also given new pumps if they asked. Now thats great CS IMHO! I've delt with this company far more than most who have posted. And all my experiences have been great. Trust me With regards to the 703 pulling more air, I'm sure it has something to do with the skimmer's height. The 703 is 3" shorter, meaning less head. Less head = more air.
H&S, Deltec and ER are all great skimmers IMO. And the only reason you have ER supporters backing up their products constantly is simply because of the way some people rip them on a constant basis. If you don't like ER products, thats cool with me. But you don't need to constanly rip them on every thread. It would be like if Dirtyreefer were to get on every skimmer thread and rip Deltec for the small fortune he spent on $25 worth of stuff.
Off my box....
Happy new year to all! I'm about to catch a flight to Tokyo for two weeks! Should be some pretty sweet set ups over there!
Cheers,
Jim
ridetheducati
20 and Over Club
Who authorized that trip!!!!
Have fun and be safe.
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