Deltec vs Octopus?

[nikonosis]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6668569#post6668569 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by collective21
No, Octopus is a piece of junk but lets leave that for another thread.

How do you know its a piece of junk? Do you know anything about them at all? Here is a comment from a deltec owner that just saw one in a LFS.

"I own a Deltec APF600 and I was shown one of these to compare. From first impressions the bubble size looked tiny enough but seemed to be injecting less air than my Deltec. As clkwrk said the union turned me off. The other thing I noticed was it has a fairly long neck which would seem to work against getting a good foam reaching the collection cup. The collection cup seemed small but not a big deal unless you are leaving on vacation for 2 weeks. The tank rating seemed to be right in line with Deltec's. With the air injection being lower I would question that.

The skimmer was not actually on a tank yet so I can't comment on the skimmate etc.

Overall seemed to be a neat unit. Quality and customer service will be 2 things to watch for in the coming months."

When i see pictures like this after it running for a couple hours, im pretty impressed

 

[collective21]

If you read my previous thread I said whatever skimmer people have they think is the best. I am no exception to this rule. I do not own an octopus skimmer. You can figure out the rest.

 

[nikonosis]

Im not saying anything is the best. I don't want to be biased towards anything. I just wanted a non biased opinion on what makes a piece of plastic with a pump cost $1000+ when there are other pieces of plastic made pretty close to the same and they only cost $200...

 

[Detritivore]

Let's do some comparing:

The 8" dia. 30" tall recirculating Reef Octopus lists for $489 on Custom Aquatic. The equivalent Deltec (AP851) lists for $1133, so the price difference is more like $600, which is still a lot. However the Deltec has things that the Reef Octopus does not have(at least not yet): customer service and proven performance/reputation. Remember too, that the Reef Octopus is still new so it isn't very fair to say that it performs just as good as a Deltec when only a few people have used it. Obviously, Deltec is an expensive, perhaps even overpriced, piece of equipment. But you must admit, it isn't for everyone (just like Bubble King, Tunze, etc...) Is it actually worth the money? People could tell you all sorts of things, but to really see for yourself, IMO, you will have to own one or at least see one in action first. Also, I don't understand what you mean by "2-3 times as good". Do you mean to say that a $500 skimmer should pull out twice as much skimmate as a $250 skimmer? What if there isn't enough junk to skim out?

Anyway, just wanted to end by saying that I think it's a good thing that companies are starting to make stuff that is cheaper. That means more people will be able to enjoy the hobby. The Reef Octopus definitely has the potential to be a great skimmer. Yet even to this day, IMO, "You get what you pay for" still holds true in this hobby.

Just my opinion.

 

[nikonosis]

"Do you mean to say that a $500 skimmer should pull out twice as much skimmate as a $250 skimmer? What if there isn't enough junk to skim out?"

Thats exactly what i meant.

 

[nikonosis]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6667069#post6667069 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by SunnyX
Its like the difference between a KIA and Ferrari.

Wouldn't it make more since to compare a ferrari to something like a ford gt40? It maybe a ford but it can still out run alot of ferrari's!

 

[E-A-G-L-E-S]

thats what i dont get...when i see 1,2,3,4 hundred gallon systems with large top of the line skimmers pulling out tons of skimmate daily, i wonder if thats more because there is alot to pull out and the very same skimmer they use would pull less on a less loaded tank or that the skimmer is the reason for the amount of skimmate?(by the way i just bought a nice one, but my tank has a low-medium bioload and i only feed once a day...so i'm wondering if there just won't be much to pull??)

 

[Jim_S]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6668664#post6668664 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by nikonosis
Im not saying anything is the best. I don't want to be biased towards anything. I just wanted a non biased opinion on what makes a piece of plastic with a pump cost $1000+ when there are other pieces of plastic made pretty close to the same and they only cost $200...

Okay, heres a non biased opinon from a euro-reef fanatic: The deltec is better because of the pump. Period.

Now, it may be too much to swallow, and if thats the case, buy the octopus. But there is no question that on NW skimmers, the pump makes all the difference. The ehiems have a better needle wheel, draw in more air, and are supposed to be silent. And thats all there is. People pay for knowing that their skimmer is one of the best. It makes them feel good. Some people feel good when they are able to save a buck or two. Others feel good when they buy a top of the line unit. I feel good because I bought an ER, and not an ASM. Others feel the EXACT opposite.

Jim

 

[Bebo77]

This will be my last post in this thread as nikponsis just want to argue price, and i am to old to agrue about this People who say "why should i pay a lot of money for a skimmer" dont usually have a lot of money.. Thats fine but dont complain to the person who does and buys nice stuff.

Haters are everywhere even here on RC..

Do you walk up to a guy driving an M3 and say nice car but my corolla is better because it costs 1/3 as much and drives me from point a to b just like your M3?

You asked for an opinion, you got it.

However, it sounds like you had your mind made up that you didnt want to pay top dollar foa a skimmer and wanted to argue this in a thread... If you can afford a deltec GET IT if you cant then stick with an octopus.

When a company makes a good product and they charge for that extra because it is a good product dont hate them.

enough said.


gabriel out

 

[nikonosis]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6668814#post6668814 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jimdogg187
Okay, heres a non biased opinon from a euro-reef fanatic: The deltec is better because of the pump. Period.

Now, it may be too much to swallow, and if thats the case, buy the octopus. But there is no question that on NW skimmers, the pump makes all the difference. The ehiems have a better needle wheel, draw in more air, and are supposed to be silent. And thats all there is. People pay for knowing that their skimmer is one of the best. It makes them feel good. Some people feel good when they are able to save a buck or two. Others feel good when they buy a top of the line unit. I feel good because I bought an ER, and not an ASM. Others feel the EXACT opposite.

Jim

Then why not just buy a cheaper skimmer and just upgrade to the same exact pumps the more expensive skimmer companies use?

 

[collective21]

Lifereef is the best skimmer out there. Why? Because thats what I have.

 

[Jim_S]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6668847#post6668847 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by nikonosis
Then why not just buy a cheaper skimmer and just upgrade to the same exact pumps the more expensive skimmer companies use?

You can do that. But the skimmer companies such as Deltec and H&S make the price of their NW pumps very high to discourage this. A Deltec Ehiem is about $500 and an H&S is about $300.

 

[nikonosis]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6668829#post6668829 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Bebo77
This will be my last post in this thread as nikponsis just want to argue price, and i am to old to agrue about this People who say "why should i pay a lot of money for a skimmer" dont usually have a lot of money.. Thats fine but dont complain to the person who does and buys nice stuff.

Haters are everywhere even here on RC..

Do you walk up to a guy driving an M3 and say nice car but my corolla is better because it costs 1/3 as much and drives me from point a to b just like your M3?

You asked for an opinion, you got it.

However, it sounds like you had your mind made up that you didnt want to pay top dollar foa a skimmer and wanted to argue this in a thread... If you can afford a deltec GET IT if you cant then stick with an octopus.

When a company makes a good product and they charge for that extra because it is a good product dont hate them.

enough said.


gabriel out

This is my point about your remarks. Don't buy the most expensive thing just because you have the money, THAT IS DAMN STUPID. Your obviously someone that has alot of money and buys whatever everyone says is the best and you buy it no matter what the cost is. Do you ever compare things, try and save yourself money, and be cheap sometimes or do you just have to buy the most expensive stuff because you can? All I wanted to know is what makes a deltec so much better and you had to turn this into some argument trying to make it sound like I said the octopus skimmer was the best on earth! I wanted people to compare things about them other than the price and customer service. I wanted people to actually compare things about the 2 skimmers, the plus's and minus's.

 

[Detritivore]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6668854#post6668854 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by collective21
Lifereef is the best skimmer out there. Why? Because thats what I have.

yea, well i have a red sea berlin airlift 60. now that is a real skimmer!

 

[collective21]

So's an acrylic tube with an airstone. (just kidding I'm drunk)

 

[Detritivore]

my airlift 60 is an acrylic tube with an airstone

 

[collective21]

See, so I'm right.

 

[E-A-G-L-E-S]

anyones thoughts on this?
?(by the way i just bought a nice one, but my tank has a low-medium bioload and i only feed once a day...so i'm wondering if there just won't be much to pull??)

 

[dhnguyen]

Do you mean to say that a $500 skimmer should pull out twice as much skimmate as a $250 skimmer?

IMO it better. But then again if I spent $800 on a skimmer and it didn't perform better than a cheaper knockoff, I probably wouldn't admit to anyone that I was stupid enough to buy it in the first place.

D.

 

[DeltecRules]

I love my deltec hangon Mce600. I tried some of those cheap brand skimmers and they either have been sold or retired to the closet. Of all the money I spent on chose cheap alternatives I could have spent on a great skimmer like a deltec the first time.
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