Deltec vs Octopus?

[tacocat]

You guys bring the funny. All this arguing sure makes for some really enjoyable reading.

 

[ErikS]

Ah.....um.......that would be called an example :lol: Still don't have the recipie...but hey, details, details.

Here, I'll help you out (from Websters) -

exÃ"šÃ‚·amÃ"šÃ‚·ple Audio pronunciation of "example" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (g-zmpl)
n.

1. One that is representative of a group as a whole: the squirrel, an example of a rodent; introduced each new word with examples of its use.
2. One serving as a pattern of a specific kind: set a good example by arriving on time.
3. A similar case that constitutes a model or precedent: a unique episode, without example in maritime history.
4.
1. A punishment given as a warning or deterrent.
2. One that has been given such a punishment: made an example of the offender.
5. A problem or exercise used to illustrate a principle or method.

Take some motrin & relax - it's just a skimmer

I agree, let's see the Octopus pics!

 

[nikonosis]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6866010#post6866010 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ErikS
Ah.....um.......that would be called an example :lol: Still don't have the recipie...but hey, details, details.

Here, I'll help you out (from Websters) -

exÃ"šÃ‚·amÃ"šÃ‚·ple Audio pronunciation of "example" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (g-zmpl)
n.

1. One that is representative of a group as a whole: the squirrel, an example of a rodent; introduced each new word with examples of its use.
2. One serving as a pattern of a specific kind: set a good example by arriving on time.
3. A similar case that constitutes a model or precedent: a unique episode, without example in maritime history.
4.
1. A punishment given as a warning or deterrent.
2. One that has been given such a punishment: made an example of the offender.
5. A problem or exercise used to illustrate a principle or method.

Take some motrin & relax - it's just a skimmer

I agree, let's see the Octopus pics!

Lets see both, lets see some octopus running and lets see a picture of the modifications done to deltec pumps.

 

[tigerarmy40]

at this point no matter how much we want to see the mod I dont think we are! it probably best left alone! I also think that there is a possablity that there is no mod done to the pumps used on the skimmers and there for they cant state that there is because that could cause them some trouble!!!! either way I dought yur going to get anywhere...

 

[nikonosis]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6867671#post6867671 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tigerarmy40
at this point no matter how much we want to see the mod I dont think we are! it probably best left alone! I also think that there is a possablity that there is no mod done to the pumps used on the skimmers and there for they cant state that there is because that could cause them some trouble!!!! either way I dought yur going to get anywhere...

if i had the money to waste i would buy one and disect it and post the pictures everywhere on earth.

 

[Zoom]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6868180#post6868180 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by nikonosis
if i had the money to waste i would buy one and disect it and post the pictures everywhere on earth.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Philwd]

I may be the only Deltec APF600 owner to have seen the smaller Octopus in action. I went back and spent some time really looking at it. It was skimming very wet on a live rock curing room. Big room with tons of rock. The skimmate was very watery as expected and was almost continuously running out the drain in the collection cup. Didn't stink too bad. No where near as bad as the nog on my Deltec. Could be because it is wetter and cleaned much more often. I know I equate the smell with pulling out some real nasties from the tank. Probably not a big deal but something to consider.

I looked closer at the bubbles and air injection. Definitely the air injection is lower than my Deltec. Air bubbles were 3-4X bigger on the Octopus. When I went home I dialed the Deltec to skim as wet as it could to see if that explained the bubble size but it didn't seem to matter much. I would like to have seen the Octopus skim a little dryer for a better comparison.

My final impression:

Likes:
cost
drain in collection cup!!! Doug are you reading this!
small footprint
re-circulating
quiet

Dislikes:
low air injection
neck too long
union looks clumsy
not as well constructed as top of line models
the nog doesn't stink

This cannot and does not compete with like Deltecs. However it does compete well with the mid tier skimmers like ER and ASM and I think should be considered as a good contender in that range.

 

[Pyrrhus]

I really have to get some pics of the skimmer in the shop to show people, maybe over the weekend. If anyone following this thread is in the phoenix area feel free to stop by About the Reef in Tempe to take some pics to post.

I'd like to see some numbers on how much air the Deltec Aquabees pull in during operation. Phil, maybe you could borrow my Dwyer and we could compare running air draw, to make a solid comparison for the masses?

I know that the RPS-2000 pulls in 13 SCFH which works out to around 370 LPH in air, which is less air than the deltecs on paper but I have it on good word (not having owned or used a Deltec myself) that the air injection and bubble size rivals that of the smaller aquabees when running.

FWIW, the last bucket of junk this skimmer collected did smell pretty bad but didnt come close to what my RK2 smells like, and the bubble size is much smaller after cleaning out the body of the skimmer.

 

[clkwrk]

I will bring a camera. But I am still not crazy about the skimmer .I have been waiting for it to make me go HMMMMMMMMm...But it hasn't yet. I fear I will be going with an H&S or deltec when the time comes.

 

[Fliger]

Skip do you guys have the RPS3000? That looks like a real bargain under $500 online.

 

[Pyrrhus]

We did, unfortunately we have to wait for the next container to arrive stateside before we can get more. I would really like to replace the dual Berlin XL's (I know, I know, not my choice) on the soft coral rack with a RPS-3000.

Maybe I can get the Dwyer out to the customer that bought the RPS-3000 for some numbers from that too.

 

[johnvu713]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6862739#post6862739 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ErikS

Actually I've seen more "haters" on the other side, ain't got the change for a high end skimmer so they deride those who do -
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Speak for yourself...I for one can easily afford a Deltec. But why not do a little comparision before making a hasty decision. For example why buy name brand drug when you can buy generic at half the cost and is just as good.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6865700#post6865700 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by nikonosis
ErikS you are full of dog poo on the m&m theory.
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Correction Erik youre full of skimmate

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6869257#post6869257 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Philwd

This cannot and does not compete with like Deltecs. However it does compete well with the mid tier skimmers like ER and ASM and I think should be considered as a good contender in that range.

This is an unfair comparision. Youre applying evidence on two systems that might have different level of bioload.
I'd like to know the result if both skimmers were use on that cooking bin you mentioned. With that said I concur Deltec may be a little better skimmer but when you factor in cost i think Octo by far running circles a Deltec.

 

[ErikS]

Speak for yourself...I for one can easily afford a Deltec. But why not do a little comparision before making a hasty decision. For example why buy name brand drug when you can buy generic at half the cost and is just as good

The statement was a generalization, not an accusation. Invalid comparison. Generic drugs are chemical compositions - same compounds equal same drugs. Skimmers are engineered products where slight modifications to peices may result in dramatic performance differences. Active ingedients in the generic & name brand drug may be the same & make them equals but just because both skimmers have needlewheels does not make them equals.

Funniest part is most folks seem to live under the delusion that a NW skimmer is simple to build....check some other forums & learn what goes into them before you make the call that "ones as good as another".

I agree, comparison are good....but difficult of not impossible with skimmers. Even run on the same tank results have been wildly different. Me, I hear folks like Fliger, Moonpod, NAGA, etc who have hands on experince with most every skimmer on the market say that hands down H&S and/or Deltec are second only to Bubble King - I listen & believe what they say - that's my comparison.

(sorry to mention names folks, just examples)

My own experience tells me similar - I owned quite a few skimmers & I've seen a Bubble King in action - it's hands down better than a Deltec in my opinion.

What I find truly funny is that the only people who deride the purhcase of BK, H&S, or Deltecs are those that have never owned any of them. What frequently occurs is just what happened here,
Philwd gives an honest impression having seen one & owning another.....immeidately the "not fair comparison babble starts".

Seems like a good review to me, competitive with it's target market - that being ASM & ER. If they targeted H&S, Deltec, or BK then the cost of the unit would go up along with the performance.

if i had the money to waste i would buy one and disect it and post the pictures everywhere on earth.

Before you do that check some acient history around here with a guy named ReefVan & the "ReefRat"

 

[tacocat]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6864209#post6864209 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by dhnguyen
My point with the Deltec skimmer is they use the SAME technology as other brands even the same brand of pumps. Now to say that your brand of pump X is better than your competitor's brand of pump X, IMO you should back that up. I'm not saying Deltec should reveal the inner working details of their design but just a general view of what was done on the pump to make it better. If it's such a secret, don't you think it would have been just as easy for a competitor to obtain a Deltec Eheim pump and open it up and find out as well? Don't you think it hasn't been done already?


D.

I thought we went over these points a few years ago on various threads started by people like dgasmd, invincible, etc.
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=332134
I thought the intensive disucssion of various needlewheel skimmers is what indirectly led them to be imported imprted in the first place.

BTW, for those who don't know, Eheim pumps have a proven reputation of being able to outlive your dog. Hence the popularity of Eheim powered equipment.

 

[Zoom]

My outlive two dogs

 

[Scott Wilson]

I have two of these skimmers and love them. (coralvue octopus NW-200) The only mod I have made is to add a good air regulator valve to the air intake.

Here are some shots of this guy in action.