dino experiment
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Rodrigo_BG
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Will we have to dose peroxid, keep lights off, keep pH higher and no water changes for the rest of our's tanks life in order to keep dino's away? I'm saying this becouse it seems that this algae return's quickly if we stop the treatment. 
concerning the health of our corals and fishies I don't believe this is the right path in the long term, especialy for the WC, witch I think it's very important. Also it's dificult to keep light's off in a SPS only tank.
Anyone here (who has completely quit the treatment) is being able to keep the tank clean?
concerning the health of our corals and fishies I don't believe this is the right path in the long term, especialy for the WC, witch I think it's very important. Also it's dificult to keep light's off in a SPS only tank.
Anyone here (who has completely quit the treatment) is being able to keep the tank clean?
sneeyatch
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I haven't used peroxide in a little while - maybe 3 - 4 weeks. I've done waterchanges and am feeding heavily, normal photoperiod, etc. I have absolutely no dino's that I can see.
Well - I have been experimenting with injecting a patch of bryopsis with peroxide within the last couple of days but that's it.
Well - I have been experimenting with injecting a patch of bryopsis with peroxide within the last couple of days but that's it.
Rodrigo_BG
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go to know, for how long did you dose peroxide before you quit it?
sneeyatch
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I run a small skimmer (Octopus SRO1000INT) and I run a small UV (Coralife 9 watt). According to most, I undersize most of my filtration equipment since I keep mostly soft corals and I feed them and my fish fairly heavily. I also keep various filter feeding invertebrates. As for additional dosing, I only add Brightwell's Liquid Reef whenever I feel the tank needs a boost (no real method to my madness on that though - just occasionally). I do a waterchange maybe every 3 to 4 weeks. No refugium, no DSB and no GFO. I'm trying to get a carbon reactor so I can run that for maybe a week out of each month.
I would say I dosed peroxide for maybe 2 to 3 weeks if I remember correctly, then went to a once a week maintenance dose for a week or two. Then there was like a 3 or 4 week period of no dosing and now I'm experimenting with killing bryopsis with it
I have a few aiptasia that are on the target list as well.
DocG
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Will we have to dose peroxid, keep lights off, keep pH higher and no water changes for the rest of our's tanks life in order to keep dino's away? I'm saying this becouse it seems that this algae return's quickly if we stop the treatment.
concerning the health of our corals and fishies I don't believe this is the right path in the long term, especialy for the WC, witch I think it's very important. Also it's dificult to keep light's off in a SPS only tank.
Anyone here (who has completely quit the treatment) is being able to keep the tank clean?
It has only been a couple of days since I quit dosing and have had the lights on (I explained my protocol on page 6 of the thread). Everything is still looking really good. There are still no dinos to be found, I was working on a reduced photoperiod but my corals have browned out due to the treatment so I am going to start extending the photoperiod again.
Again to reiterate, it took 3 3-day lights out cycles with the peroxide dosing (1mL/10 gallons once a day) to completely wipe of my dino problems. There were other things that I did that I feel helped as well, especially the 100 micron filter sock on the drains. During the first lights out period the bag would get so clogged up with junk that it was overflowing from the top within 24 hours, it did this twice. After that it never overflowed again and it wasn't really all that dirty during the 3rd lights out cycle.
My general experience with algae has always been that once you get it under control, it doesn't grow back very easily. I am hoping that this is the case with dinos as well.
Rodrigo_BG
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DocG good to read your words.
Anyone with sps corals have notice any problem with them after a 3, 4 weeks peroxide dosing period?
Anyone with sps corals have notice any problem with them after a 3, 4 weeks peroxide dosing period?
jkopp36
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Same for me - major browning. A little STN on some and some frags but I'm in the same boat as Doc = just glad to have the dinos mostly gone. I'm going to focus on getting them colored back up now.
miked0523
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I dosed peroxide in my 200 gal system. I dosed 10ml for 2 days then bumped it up to 15ml on the third day. The next morning I had one dead blue chromis. I have about 15 fish in my tank. I figured it was not related to the peroxide, so I dosed another 15ml on day 4. The next morning I had a dead bartlett anthias. After this I did not dose anymore. A day later my pygmy angel is MIA. Since Then I have not lost anymore fish. The Peroxide is the only thing I can blame I literaly had not lost a fish in years prior.. So be careful I dont think doing this is as harmless as some people make it out to be.
t4zalews
65g Ritteri Tank
i agree that caution has to be dealt with dosing peroxide...I have dosed 7 mL twice a day for about 4 days and did not lose any fish. Although my dino's have not been eradicated yet...my ORP is higher so I think my water quality is better. I've yet to notice any dino's on my rocks, but they have come back on my sandbed. I need to do another syphoning, but am happy to yet to see any new dino growth on my rocks. I do see some bubbles, but no dinos. Waiting for my pickling lime to arrive to elevate Ph. I have lost my cyphastrea and some SPS corals...but I blame that on my salinity dropping due to user error, and my small crocea i believe is showing signs of pinched mantle..but I blame on that on the DRASTIC lighting period cutoff I did. My two other maximas are showing no signs of pinched mantle. My gig has recently been on the move, although lost some color from reduced photoperiod...is still sticky and responsive
dohc97
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the peroxide dosing did nothing for me, i have tried dosing it for over 2 weeks and have no results to show for it. i tried doubling the dose(2ml per 10 gallons) and still have nothing to show for it, im suspending the dosing and will probably try to go with one of the other treatments.
DocG
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I really don't think that peroxide by itself is enough to take care of the dinos. I really think that you need to attack the problem from all angles. Thorough siphoning before you start and during the lights on period to help reduce the dinos. Lights out to get the dinos in suspension, peroxide to help kill the dinos, filter sock to catch the (hopefully) dead dinos. Activated carbon to make me feel better and possibly clean the water of nasties released by killing the dinos. If you can maintain an elevated pH while treating that would be very helpful as well (I couldn't and I tried really hard).
In the past I had tried the siphoning/lights out method. When the lights came back on the dinos were considerably reduced but they would be back the next day and by the end of the week it appeared just as it had before.
If it wasn't for the fact that I was starting to resent the hobby due to the dinos and was thinking that a 500 gallon cichlid tank would be nice I never would have tried the H2O2. If I could have been able to maintain a pH of 8.5 I probably would have tried the entire method that I did minus the H2O2 first.
I think we really should view this as a last resort treatment and make sure that the problem is dinos in the first place. It does not seem that people are having success with other types of algaes. Cyano is of particular interest as it can be very easy to confuse the two.
jkopp36
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Doc, you and I are in the exact same boat. I could have typed that almost word for word (I was going to ditch everything and move to a FOWLR large angel tank) and it would have expressed my situation and opinion perfectly.
I would highly suggest that people reading pay particular attention to Doc's last sentence in the post above. I think that is what is happening in a lot of cases. I too still have bubbles on some rocks and mostly the top of the sides and back of the tanks but I do not believe it is from dinos. I had some patches of cyano in my other tank (90g DT) and tried a lot of different things to get rid of it. I recently have been trying the "Special Blend Method" and sure enough right at 5 weeks it is actually almost gone now. It just started disappearing a few days ago and my white sugar sand has never looked better or cleaner.
One last thing - for the record I double dosed for 10 days (1ml/10g at 6am and again at 6pm) after a single dose regimen of about 10 days. I did shut all the lights down when I started the double dosing also. The dinos did not start to seriously die off until the double dosing/lights off phase for me. I am now back to dosing only once per day and will probably trim down to once per week over the next several weeks. That's my plan anyway. I may also work on getting a fresh air supply to my skimmer to help keep pH up. That was one of the other items on my battle plan that I can now do since it is getting warmer here.
I would highly suggest that people reading pay particular attention to Doc's last sentence in the post above. I think that is what is happening in a lot of cases. I too still have bubbles on some rocks and mostly the top of the sides and back of the tanks but I do not believe it is from dinos. I had some patches of cyano in my other tank (90g DT) and tried a lot of different things to get rid of it. I recently have been trying the "Special Blend Method" and sure enough right at 5 weeks it is actually almost gone now. It just started disappearing a few days ago and my white sugar sand has never looked better or cleaner.
One last thing - for the record I double dosed for 10 days (1ml/10g at 6am and again at 6pm) after a single dose regimen of about 10 days. I did shut all the lights down when I started the double dosing also. The dinos did not start to seriously die off until the double dosing/lights off phase for me. I am now back to dosing only once per day and will probably trim down to once per week over the next several weeks. That's my plan anyway. I may also work on getting a fresh air supply to my skimmer to help keep pH up. That was one of the other items on my battle plan that I can now do since it is getting warmer here.
sneeyatch
Active member
I've heard that sometimes it doesn't work for some folks, very similar to elevated Mg levels for bryopsis and a lot of other "fix" type remedies. That sucks to hear that fish / livestock has been lost in certain cases as I'd be pretty upset about that too. I consider myself lucky in that case.
One thing that I can't stress enough though is only dose 1 ml / 10 gallons. This is still an experimental solution to a big problem and if anyone decides to double the dosage either at one time or twice in a day, etc. please realize that you are taking matters into your own hands. I double dosed as well, but I also didn't have any fish or corals in the tank at that time. Once I moved all of my livestock back to the tank, my dino's were pretty much gone and I went back to a regular dosing regimen.
One of the guys a couple of pages back said their tank crashed using peroxide, but he / she also grossly mis-calculated the dosing (probably due to lack of research) and has now suffered the consequences.
Other than what miked0523 stated above, I haven't heard of anyone losing livestock sue to a regular dosing regimen - I'm not saying it hasn't ever happened, but I can't recall ever reading about it. I think his situation is in the minority.
One thing that I can't stress enough though is only dose 1 ml / 10 gallons. This is still an experimental solution to a big problem and if anyone decides to double the dosage either at one time or twice in a day, etc. please realize that you are taking matters into your own hands. I double dosed as well, but I also didn't have any fish or corals in the tank at that time. Once I moved all of my livestock back to the tank, my dino's were pretty much gone and I went back to a regular dosing regimen.
One of the guys a couple of pages back said their tank crashed using peroxide, but he / she also grossly mis-calculated the dosing (probably due to lack of research) and has now suffered the consequences.
Other than what miked0523 stated above, I haven't heard of anyone losing livestock sue to a regular dosing regimen - I'm not saying it hasn't ever happened, but I can't recall ever reading about it. I think his situation is in the minority.
t4zalews
65g Ritteri Tank
I recieved my pickling lime today and set up both of my dosing pumps to dose it if my pH drops below 8.5. Hopefully it will dose it fast enough..if not I might have to use my osmolator as well to top off with.
I stopped dosing peroxide because my ORP is around 410 in the morning, so I dont want it to go up any more.
I stopped dosing peroxide because my ORP is around 410 in the morning, so I dont want it to go up any more.
