dino experiment

got hit with the dino's a week ago, had been working on getting tank squeaky clean with perfect water, got phosphates down to nothing and everything else perfect, did a water change and WHAM, overnight I was covered in it....
Cleaned the sand good,removed fish,
Pulled all corals and scrubbed and freshwater dipped them, (all mine are small and still on plugs)
Freshwater dipped and scrubbed all my rockwork,
Scrubbed all equipment in tank,
Dosed tank with 1/8 cup h2o2, I tend to prefer the nuclear approach,
Has been two days since i did this,, all clear now,,will do a 50% water change in a few days, ,,
Looks like the freshwater dip has killed my pulsing Xenia, it really looks bad,,,
Everything else is doing ok,,,
Gonna put everything(corals/fish) back a week after that if it is still clear,,,
Got the rock/corals in one QT tank and fish in another,,,
 
polarcollision said:
If the offer is still good, I'd love to know what these are: http://www.nano-reef.com/topic/3371...or-and-in-tank-bbs-hatchery-builds/?p=4825893

Thanks!
Deborah
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I just saw this post, sorry it took like a month to reply.

The most numerous cell you have there is the species I haven't ID'ed yet. It pops up a lot though. It tends to be much more mucousy than the other species and is often found in blobs on coral. It doesn't go away at night like the other species. If you have a nice blob of it that doesn't look (under the scope) to have other species mixed in, you could do a DNA extraction and send me the DNA. Let me know if you are interested and I'll walk you through it (it's really easy to extract DNA).

The feature you are looking for when trying to figure out if the tiny cells are dinos is a cingulum and sulcus. The cingulum is a groove around the equator of the cell. It often looks to be cinching the cell in like a tight belt. This bisects the cell into two hemispheres. Running perpendicular to that is the sulcus. Under the scope this will look like a little T on one side of the cell. You need them to be facing you just right to see the sulcus. Take a look at the videos and images I put up of Symbiodinium to see what another very similar tiny dino looks like.

You also found a single cell of Ostreopsis. It is that sesame seed shaped cell. If that is the only one you found then no worries. You also have a good number of diatoms mixed in with everything else.
 
Feed everyone and dosed tank with phyto and "Fuel" when I got home...
Put rocks back in tank.............went to bed
When I got up found a few spots I missed, maybe enough to cover your hand total.
A few bits on corals, scrubbed that off and resprayed and rinsed..
Pulled those rocks back out and re-scrubbed and sprayed h2o2 on those areas.... put rocks back in tank
I would say 80% gone right now....
Nothing in sand bed, for now

revised plan is to get fish back in and leave corals in QT till nothing shows on them
 
It doesn't work that way. If you have dinos on a rock, you have dinos everywhere. It's only that they don't thrive on those spots you think that are dino free.

Give them the chance and in a matter of a few hours you will see them everywhere (just take a sample from the sand and check it out on the microscope...)
 
Montireef said:
It doesn't work that way. If you have dinos on a rock, you have dinos everywhere. It's only that they don't thrive on those spots you think that are dino free.

Give them the chance and in a matter of a few hours you will see them everywhere (just take a sample from the sand and check it out on the microscope...)
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I understand they are still everywhere, I was just pointing out the reduction in visible dinos. I dont have a microscope..
I ran the lights for 10 hours yesterday and only had a few spots flare back up.
I plan on continuing to pull and scrub/spray while dosing..
Its doing something,, I am having to change my filter socks twice a day vs weekly before the flareup..
Well I am off to bed, guess I will see what the first 5 hours of lights bring back up when I get up..
 
Definite progress, only 1 or 2 small bubbly areas, a few patches in the sand are coming back now (just dark spots not bubbling), lights have been on 9 hours..
Looks like if I keep up the aggressive cleaning and dosing I can beat them..
Lesson learned so far from this,, Dont freshwater dip/rinse Green Star Polyps or Pulsing Xenia...
The GSP is just starting to open a bit, and the Xenia has really shrunk down and looks dead or hurt bad..

Keeping track of exactly what I have done,, will put it a single post when they stay gone for a week...
 
Still dosing and cleaning, very little to clean up, they just show up on the sand now.. Starting to get some hair algae on the rocks now..
Some showing on the corals I pulled out..
Setting another small tank up to put them in after I re-dip them, will be dipping in saltwater-peroxide mix, then rinse, then iodine, and rinse again..
Unless they regroup I am winning, I hope
 
Which corals are you submitting to such a torture?
Which dinoflagellate species are you fighting with?

That hair algae outbreak uses to be a good symptom that dinos are being defeated.
 
Montireef said:
Which corals are you submitting to such a torture?
Which dinoflagellate species are you fighting with?

That hair algae outbreak uses to be a good symptom that dinos are being defeated.
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Zoa's,Pallys,Green Star Polyps,Various shrooms, 1 small acan, 1 small trumpet..
No idea on which species, I have no way to id them...
 
Came home just now, and part of my condylactis is hanging out of the powerhead, the rest is in a puddle on the tank bottom,, I forgot to cover the power head on the tank I moved everyone to while treating my DT.. Just about ready to hang it up..
 
Every day I have been pulling the rocks out and spraying them with H2O2 ,then scrubbing,FW rinse, vacuuming the sand and dosing H2O2.. (Only 40g breeder with 4 large rocks in it http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/blog.php?b=778 )

Took the dose up to 10ml per 10g this morning, and within 5 minutes there were pieces of dino flying everywhere, filled a filter sock in 4 hours, the water looked like mud had been dumped in it..

Power heads are now pointed more toward bottom, to keep it stirred up till socks catch it all

The shrimp and fish had to go back in DT yesterday, without their rocks to hide in it was a major fight scene,,I dont have any more cured rock to put in for them.. (another item for purchase list)

I have not changed my lighting at all still running 10 hours a day(2 175w MH 20k)
Very few patches showing in the sand..
 
None showing anymore, has been several days now..
Havent dosed in two days..
Started putting DT back in order.. All coral back in tank on frag rack..
Added several new rocks (been soaking in FW and peroxide for three days),,
Rearranged rockwork..
Added Lawnmower Blenny, and 1 pistol shrimp..

My losses so far are,, several emerald crabs, sally light foot, and some smaller snails..
Didnt lose any shrimp though..
Some of my paly clusters havent opened back up but they are still intact
My Pulsing Xenia started coming back two days ago (it had totally melted in the FW dip, only left little nubs hooked to the rock)..
My Acan and Trumpet corals opened fully today,actually bigger than before,, time to feed them, very glad to see they made it through the torture...
Getting a mini-cycle from the new rockwork, hoping the dinos are gone and not hiding as I have to do a water change in the AM..
 
Me too, they were not the toxic ones i dont think,, cause the turbos and conch were having a blast munching on them..
 
OK,, just finished a 4 day lights out just to be sure of their demise..
On my way to pick up stuff for a water change.. here goes noting
 
JamesHolt said:
OK,, just finished a 4 day lights out just to be sure of their demise..
On my way to pick up stuff for a water change.. here goes noting
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On my old tank, when I had huge issues with these, I did a week long blackout after vacuuming up what I could, dosing H2O2 during the blackout. They happily came back in full force after a few days.

I eventually found out my RO/DI unit was defective and was letting through about 60ppm water. Once I got that corrected, they eventually went away on their own.
 
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