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Organisms can build a tolerance to at least some poisons if they ramp up slowly enough.
The toxicity of our dinos may also be variable.
Dinoflagellates.
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Organisms can build a tolerance to at least some poisons if they ramp up slowly enough.
The toxicity of our dinos may also be variable.
I've done 2 5% WC in the past month and had no bloom, I still have some visible diatoms but can only find a few dinos under the microscope, I have a second much smaller dino along with the ostreopsis that I have not IDed.
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Good point cal_stir.
I am afraid I am not only an ostreopsis expert, but amphidinium as well, LOL
As some of my tanks sit in the sun and are ULNS, they behave like a dino's magnet...
Amphidinium is much easier to cope with, never had toxicity events and always got rid of it with just a 4/5 days blackout.
I am afraid I am not only an ostreopsis expert, but amphidinium as well, LOL
As some of my tanks sit in the sun and are ULNS, they behave like a dino's magnet...
Amphidinium is much easier to cope with, never had toxicity events and always got rid of it with just a 4/5 days blackout.
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I made a few minor changes.
New carbon brand.
Alklinity from 8-7
One new MH bulb out of three.
30 extra minutes of light.
Now I have twice as much dinos as the last few months.
SPS corals are heading south quite fast. I have some dead already.
M Capricornis have lost some color going from bright red and green to gray.
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This is simply a repeat of my previous findings and now I can say for sure that there is a link between Ostreopsis dinos in a reef tank and SPS coral health.
There is a point where your SPS corals show signs of no or slow growth.
This can creep up on experienced tank owners becasue the dinos will be very hard to detect if you are uninformed.
There is another piont where your SPS corals stop growing and slow tissue necrosis will take place.
There will be brown patches here and there with clear surfaces in between.
Then there is a point where toxicity is at a level where corals can die in a few days with a fast tissue necrosis or show marks of severe discomfort.
Most of your sand will be covered in dinos and at least some of the live rock.
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Did someone say dinos are difficult?
New carbon brand.
Alklinity from 8-7
One new MH bulb out of three.
30 extra minutes of light.
Now I have twice as much dinos as the last few months.
SPS corals are heading south quite fast. I have some dead already.
M Capricornis have lost some color going from bright red and green to gray.
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This is simply a repeat of my previous findings and now I can say for sure that there is a link between Ostreopsis dinos in a reef tank and SPS coral health.
There is a point where your SPS corals show signs of no or slow growth.
This can creep up on experienced tank owners becasue the dinos will be very hard to detect if you are uninformed.
There is another piont where your SPS corals stop growing and slow tissue necrosis will take place.
There will be brown patches here and there with clear surfaces in between.
Then there is a point where toxicity is at a level where corals can die in a few days with a fast tissue necrosis or show marks of severe discomfort.
Most of your sand will be covered in dinos and at least some of the live rock.
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Did someone say dinos are difficult?
I have found a substance that killed ostreopsis in less than 24 hours. Absolutely harmless for corals, urchins, starfishes, crabs...but killed all my fishes and some trochus snails (turbo, strombus, nassarius and tectus seem unaffected).
The skimmer pulled out 1 gal of black gunk in a few hours and water is crystal clear. Corals show a slightly pale colour and polyp extension is great.
The skimmer pulled out 1 gal of black gunk in a few hours and water is crystal clear. Corals show a slightly pale colour and polyp extension is great.
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Montireef you are really going all in with your methods.
For a healthy tank, that is what needs to be done.
Would you say your corals showed instant signs of improvement?
Long term effects remain to be seen, but in my previous post I mention the grip Ostreopsis has on corals.
Of course dinos only happen to someone else, but they could be one of the biggest cause of coral problems in reef tanks.
For a healthy tank, that is what needs to be done.
Would you say your corals showed instant signs of improvement?
Long term effects remain to be seen, but in my previous post I mention the grip Ostreopsis has on corals.
Of course dinos only happen to someone else, but they could be one of the biggest cause of coral problems in reef tanks.
Almost 48h since the first dose and no dinos visible.
As it killed all my fishes, I put a big load of GAC so I presume there is nothing left in the water.
Corals are happier than ever with awesome polyp extension. As I don't have any fish now I will dose a bit more next time I see any dinoflagellate sign. I seems it has nuked ostreopsis and amphidiniun but I still see many ciliates and copepods on the microscope. Colonista snails and small ophiura seem unaffected but some trochus snails are quiet and probably dying (half the population).
A friend of mine with a severe ostreopsis bloom is going to try on his tank at a small dose. I tried at 1 ml/100 l and he will try at 0,3 ml/100 l.
We will soon know if it works at a fish-safe dose.
As it killed all my fishes, I put a big load of GAC so I presume there is nothing left in the water.
Corals are happier than ever with awesome polyp extension. As I don't have any fish now I will dose a bit more next time I see any dinoflagellate sign. I seems it has nuked ostreopsis and amphidiniun but I still see many ciliates and copepods on the microscope. Colonista snails and small ophiura seem unaffected but some trochus snails are quiet and probably dying (half the population).
A friend of mine with a severe ostreopsis bloom is going to try on his tank at a small dose. I tried at 1 ml/100 l and he will try at 0,3 ml/100 l.
We will soon know if it works at a fish-safe dose.
Were you successful with the kordon ick attack and how much did you dose?
Do you what kind of dinos you have/had?
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Montireef it's possible you did not overdose and that Naphthoquinone is not what killed all your fish.
The mass death of dinos could have released deadly amounts of toxins and I find that more likely judging from what I have witnessed with dino swings in my tank.
We should add this to our experience as a possible limit in fish tolerance to sudden rise in palytoxin.
I'm not sure what to draw from the corals getting pale. Is it the symbiodinum or ostreopsis leaving the corals?
The mass death of dinos could have released deadly amounts of toxins and I find that more likely judging from what I have witnessed with dino swings in my tank.
We should add this to our experience as a possible limit in fish tolerance to sudden rise in palytoxin.
I'm not sure what to draw from the corals getting pale. Is it the symbiodinum or ostreopsis leaving the corals?
It might be, but I did not have much ostreopsis slime so I presume they died because of the high dosage.
When I watched the fish behaving weird I placed a big amount of GAC but could not save them. This surely removed all the naphthoquinones and three days later I start watching some ostreosis slime showing up.
When I watched the fish behaving weird I placed a big amount of GAC but could not save them. This surely removed all the naphthoquinones and three days later I start watching some ostreosis slime showing up.
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As with most medicine it's rarely an instant cure with one shot.
You have found something that works to some extent so a further treatment over time seems to be the logical thing to try as these often take weeks to work in humans.
I take it this stuff is anti-fungal and damages cell walls and I can imagne that would expose or release the dinoflagellates toxin.
You have found something that works to some extent so a further treatment over time seems to be the logical thing to try as these often take weeks to work in humans.
I take it this stuff is anti-fungal and damages cell walls and I can imagne that would expose or release the dinoflagellates toxin.
