Actually quite a few test kits will give that low reading with 0 ammonia in the water. Additionally, the that level (if actually present) at SW pH is in the form of ammonium and therefore non toxic
Diodogorgia nodulifera polyps extension mystery
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Actually quite a few test kits will give that low reading with 0 ammonia in the water. Additionally, the that level (if actually present) at SW pH is in the form of ammonium and therefore non toxic
Aqualund
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Yes everyone...but we're talking about determining factors for a delicate organism's feeding patterns...one which in its natural environment has near perfect water parameters all the time.
Rather than shrugging it off, it is important that the source and the consistency of this excessive parameter be completely ruled out before moving on to more complicated factors.
Rather than shrugging it off, it is important that the source and the consistency of this excessive parameter be completely ruled out before moving on to more complicated factors.
Mudbeaver
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When i look at the result of my amonia i also look at the tank and its activity.
Cerith snail, babylonian snails, are actually laying eggs right now every other day its crazy . My sponges, have growths comming out , my gorgonians polyps are out all the time except when they catch something and retract. My corals polyps are super extended, and the coral have grown since last month i take monthly pictures for comparison. The water is super clear in the morning; i say in the morning because the sponge do an excellent job of filltering and so is the filter feeders, but during the day , i dose, the ultramins coumpounds and other supplement which will cloud the water at times. My sand is devoided of algaes, of any kind.
And as the Albert Thiel Said in his conference this week in are club OVAS , and i quote " We are not chemist we are Aquarist Hobbyist; and correcting chemistry of are tank by over dosing you are doom to fail" That was surprising to hear.
If you don't know who he is google it he's basically one of the father of modern reefing really.
In any case Done a water change this weekend and the amonia now is 0 lol all is neutral again that spike happened between the water change for some reason . But had no incidence on the tank performance. And like i said before the OP was on the theory about why the polyp of the Diodogorgia opens .
Cerith snail, babylonian snails, are actually laying eggs right now every other day its crazy . My sponges, have growths comming out , my gorgonians polyps are out all the time except when they catch something and retract. My corals polyps are super extended, and the coral have grown since last month i take monthly pictures for comparison. The water is super clear in the morning; i say in the morning because the sponge do an excellent job of filltering and so is the filter feeders, but during the day , i dose, the ultramins coumpounds and other supplement which will cloud the water at times. My sand is devoided of algaes, of any kind.
And as the Albert Thiel Said in his conference this week in are club OVAS , and i quote " We are not chemist we are Aquarist Hobbyist; and correcting chemistry of are tank by over dosing you are doom to fail" That was surprising to hear.
If you don't know who he is google it he's basically one of the father of modern reefing really.
In any case Done a water change this weekend and the amonia now is 0 lol all is neutral again that spike happened between the water change for some reason . But had no incidence on the tank performance. And like i said before the OP was on the theory about why the polyp of the Diodogorgia opens .
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Mudbeaver
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Well his point was those who always react to changes in the parameter are over reacting, that was his point. Like he said things fluctuate naturaly and stabilises on its own at some point and if you always interfear your doom to fail that what he said. Over reaction he called it. He was comparing Nano reef and big systems and how people react to parameters. I guess you had to be there to understand his point.
In the same order he was talking about the transformation of elements by the bacterias in the sand and its effect and how it impacts and swings the parameters at some point and if you test during those particular point you may think your tank is in crisis, but its just going through a process , but if you test one day later the parameters will be ok and the tank survived the transformation , thats what was the observation about. And that cleaning ones sandbed was a nonsence to him because they're the main containers of bacterial nest if you will. Anyway a few hours with this guy is great learning. Not everyday we meet a legend like that.If you don't know who Albert Thiel is google it and read his contribution to are world, its amazing work.
Mudbeaver
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I referred you there to check the articles.
of course if interested
Of course i am , just was very busy with the show at Aquamania this weekend. Just recoop right now. lol , you seem to be the only one interested in the topic anyway , the rest is either on my font or my parameters or my grammar or anything else but the topic , lol. Thanks.
You also need to keep in mind the detection limits and accuracy of the test kits available to hobbyist. Even the best of them only provide ball park measurements and are not capable of detecting truly low (as in open ocean reef water) levels of nutrients. The folks working on nutrients and reef water do their measurements in micromoles
Aqualund
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I see. So the mantra here is ignore anomalies and strive for the end result. I'm sorry, being a physicist I guess I don't subscribe to this philosophy. I treat all anomalies as indicators of something significant...until, of course, I rule them out through method. Then I am comfortable with moving to the next step, like polyp extension.
As with anything, you're obviously free to do whatever you want.
As with anything, you're obviously free to do whatever you want.
Mudbeaver
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The OP was about a question and you want to fix something that isn't there anymore. i don't understand your premis. That is not why i've posted in the first place. you want to fix something that was now fixed with my WC , it gone.
And to put you in contex i know how to take care of that gorgonian, The question was an accademic one . The one i've asked on many other site and got a very good answer by the way without this . What motivated the gorgon to open the most the particule density the waterflow or the movement of its branches from the waterflow. That was the opinion i was looking for in the first place none of the drama.
Aqualund
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Prior to your "fixing" of the problem, you had ammonia. I will be curious to know if now you see a more consistent opening of the polyps now.
Not really a mantra or ignoring anomalies. It's a matter of knowing that few, if any, hobbyist test kits will truly give you an accurate 0 reading. I've had opportunity to compare most brands of ammonia test kits to the results from the same water sample run by a university sea water analysis lab...on several occasions for verification. The accuracy in those kits just isn't there, hence the need to also consider the overall health of all the life in the tank.
Aqualund
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Well yes, this is fair, of course. On the grand scheme of things I think it's just so important to rule out all the "seemingly" little things when troubleshooting. Glossing over these little things happens all too often in this hobby, and I think it's our responsibility to endorse good practices, so that the hobby becomes enriched by the scientific method rather than hindered as a result of no method.
I agree with that. Sometimes the little things are what bites you in the backside, while at the same time after decades of doing this professionally you also learn what little things are truly little things. Of course it helps when you have university research labs to put to work proving which is which.
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