divers den 8 1/2 achilles

Previously i used standard QT, wait and watch, then had a devastating outbreak despite such efforts with no visible signs for a year from the last entrant prior to the outbreak.

There is a lot more going on here than standard QT and routine treatment. While I am in agreement for QT, if for nothing more than to limit exposure of parasites of both fish and coral, and for containment of such; I believe a lot of loses can be directly attributed to questionable practices on the wholesale and retail side of things. Basically a game of chance for us. This occurance for tylorarm, may very well have been a weakened immune system from past treatments coupled with added tank stress that brought ich in. That has been my arguement for years. That a clean tank can get ich just like a sterile enviroment can get bacteria by decaying organic matter.
 
achilles

achilles

I remember in the Achilles Premier somebody showing a pic of their Achilles with eyes that change to blue. By the way, I was the one that got that Achilles jmccown linked above. I have had my eye out for a 5"-6" Achilles for a long time. I was only able to see the picture on my Blackberry before I placed the order while driving (I've seen how fast the DD Achilles can sell and didn't want to risk losing it) When I got home and saw the big picture on my computer screen I noticed the orange dorsal fin and I wasn't sure if I liked that or not. I like what untammed and tcmfish said about them changing color, this way I will get the both of both worlds depending on the tangs mood. I figured this color changing may be possible because I have seen other Acanthurus like powder browns and tennant tangs change color very quickly. Anyway, he will be here tomorrow.
congratulations on that beautiful achilles purchase,I preferrably would like to have gotten a 5 to 6" fish but the 8"came up so I went for it.good luck with him.mtbiker41
 
I don't currently have one, but think of it this way. It is a touchy fish. If something goes wrong it will probably be one of the first to show signs (ich usually), and things always go wrong. If the fish is healthy initially (from DD) surviving QT should be no problem. The reason most say go straight to the display is they probably think it will die in QT or won't eat. It is my opinion that all fish should be QT, so when things go wrong disease won't be an issue.

PBT's don't do well in QT, unless qt is a full reef set up.... they need an established aquarium with plenty of LR... thye need lots of passages/caves and a diverse but open aquascape...

unless you have some kind of really nice QT... i wouldn't recommend it. PBT's need numerous hiding places, they become masters of the terrain they need that to feel comfortable... another thread on here guy had his in qt 14 days, was doing great, eating tons, then he went to feed it one day, it freaked out so bad it beat itself to death.

Those 4 walls start to close in pretty quick!... naw really they need terrain... a decent rockscape, corals, all the usual stuff.

almost every tank has ich, unless he QT'ed everything up to this point, what's the point... almost every TANG has ich, it's just important to keep him low stress so it doesn't present.
 
The only way it could get ich after being treated with copper is if it was put in a tank with fish that haven't been treated with copper. That is why I don't like not treating as a preventative because then your fish can still get sick after QT.

I am not targeting you either, just see so many people against QT and I don't understand it.

Or your human and add something like a coral or a snail ect ect ect thats not been fallow for 8 weeks.
 
I thought you may have bought until I saw who did posted.those spots must've been air bubbles on him from the airstone as I turned it off and they were gone this when I came home from work.

I'm still debating on whether to get the one from the diver in hawaii. It has been in QT 2 weeks now with 1 more week to go. I'm just afraid of how my big sohal would react to it. The diver said it was 5" and in perfect health.
 
PBT's don't do well in QT, unless qt is a full reef set up.... they need an established aquarium with plenty of LR... thye need lots of passages/caves and a diverse but open aquascape...

unless you have some kind of really nice QT... i wouldn't recommend it. PBT's need numerous hiding places, they become masters of the terrain they need that to feel comfortable... another thread on here guy had his in qt 14 days, was doing great, eating tons, then he went to feed it one day, it freaked out so bad it beat itself to death.

Those 4 walls start to close in pretty quick!... naw really they need terrain... a decent rockscape, corals, all the usual stuff.

almost every tank has ich, unless he QT'ed everything up to this point, what's the point... almost every TANG has ich, it's just important to keep him low stress so it doesn't present.

False. I have seen hundreds of PBT go through properly set up QTs fine. QT does so much more than just treat ich. But, sorry to hijack this therad. Good luck with that monster achilles. That red patch is so big and vivid, its mesmerizing.
 
I'm still debating on whether to get the one from the diver in hawaii. It has been in QT 2 weeks now with 1 more week to go. I'm just afraid of how my big sohal would react to it. The diver said it was 5" and in perfect health.

In that 11 foot tank I think you could do it. If you are worried I might use a see through cage to house it in initially to reduce aggression and see how other fish react to it without being able to physically harass it.
 
insominiac achilles

insominiac achilles

when you guys said achilles need not lots of for swimming you weren't kidding .this fish goes from end to end of tank or in front of the powerhead 24 7 .I've gotten in the middle of the night several times since arrival and every time I do he's swimming I have yet to catch him asleep or setting still.he won't even stop to eat.he swims and catches it in the water as he's swimming.can't wait to see him going end to end on that 8' tank.
 
mtbiker41- how many days did it take before he started eating? What was the first thing he started eating besides the caulerpa?
 
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eating

mtbiker41- how many days did it take before he started eating? What was the first thing he started eating besides the caulerpa?
he started eating almost immediately,I've fed him cheato,nls pellets which he really likes,spirulina flakes,mysis,blood worms & marine cuisine mixed together and nori.all of which is soaked in garlic,selcon.and vitamin c.did you get yours yet?
 
he started eating almost immediately,I've fed him cheato,nls pellets which he really likes,spirulina flakes,mysis,blood worms & marine cuisine mixed together and nori.all of which is soaked in garlic,selcon.and vitamin c.did you get yours yet?

So he started eating the same day you got him? Yes, I got mine today. I decided not to use my 20-gallon QT and I put him directly in the main tank. I haven't seen ich on my fish before and the Achilles is now the only fish in my main tank that was not freshwater/methylene blue dipped. I figured the QT will be more stressful for the Achilles and since I didn't QT any of my other fish there is a possibility of ich being in there making it a waste of time to QT the Achilles. I've got my fingers crossed, we will see what happens.
 
keep us posted ryshark. Curious to see how a specimen does added directly to DT. What size is your tank and what are the other inhabitants?
 
keep us posted ryshark. Curious to see how a specimen does added directly to DT. What size is your tank and what are the other inhabitants?

180-gallon tank, large cone skimmer with a big Askoll pump, 2x Vortech MP40 and 1-Tunze nanostream.
4" Sailfin Tang
3.5" Hippo Tang
4" Doliatus Rabbitfish
4x 2" Anthias
4x 1.5" Chromis
2" Bellus Angelfish
So far no aggression yet except for the sailfin chasing it for about 1-second a few times in the begining.
Not interested in food yet, but has only been in the tank since around noon.
 
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I'm assuming you skipped the dip due to the delicate nature of the fish?

Yes. The fish is delicate plus expensive. It is the only fish in my tank that was not dipped. Instead of dipping I put into the display some snake oil/voodoo juice( hoping that it may actually contain probiotics (marine max) that may actually help protect the fish from disease. I don't think there are any studies proving that it actually helps, but I could be wrong.
 
So he started eating the same day you got him? Yes, I got mine today. I decided not to use my 20-gallon QT and I put him directly in the main tank. I haven't seen ich on my fish before and the Achilles is now the only fish in my main tank that was not freshwater/methylene blue dipped. I figured the QT will be more stressful for the Achilles and since I didn't QT any of my other fish there is a possibility of ich being in there making it a waste of time to QT the Achilles. I've got my fingers crossed, we will see what happens.
I didn't feed him the first day but he was picking at the live rock.when I fed the next day didn't go after it aggressively like my others but would eat as he swims by the food and still eats that way .it's like he doesn't want to stop swimming to eat.I put him in display last nite .the dussumeri went all black and started swimming all around him so I turned lights and he calmed down and went to bed.this morning with actinics on the sailfin fully extended following him everywhere and my purple tang is almost white.I didn't know my sf was that big until this he never fully extended.the ach is swimming end to end not paying any attention to the others.in the qt he started swimming rapidly I could see a change in actions from when I put him in last week so decided to put in dt. good luck with the new addition.
 
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