DIY LEDs - The write-up

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thanks james3370, im trying to put some leds over my 24gal nano and i been reading so much on it that i feel like im studing to get my electronic engineering degree. :D

i pretty much decided on everything except if im going to use buckpucks or the meanwell, line voltage drivers that were posted here earlier.

can the buckpucks with a pot be controlled by an external source just like the meanwell drivers? i would like to rig something up that can slowly rev up the leds for sunrise and sunset. if i can do that with the buckpuck trough the pot leads it would be perfect.
 
reading trough the thread again buckpucks can be controlled trough an external switch by 0 - 5DC external or a PWM signal.
is this correct? just want to make sure before i pull the trigger. it seems with the buckpucks its a bit easier and i can just manually dim them trough the pot till i figure out an auto dimming program trough an external circuit right?
 
I'm using a mix of 60 and 40 degree optics to cover the tank. It will be a mixed reef so I dont need strong light everywhere. I will try different heights once its on the tank to see what looks best.

Heres a pic of the light so far, just got started mounting all of the lights.

bobbyrocco
 
that thing is awesome. i bet you can tan under that lol

can someone confirm that buckpucks can be controlled with an arduino board granted you program it correctly! otherwise ill have to use some other drivers.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15600241#post15600241 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by madadi
that thing is awesome. i bet you can tan under that lol

can someone confirm that buckpucks can be controlled with an arduino board granted you program it correctly! otherwise ill have to use some other drivers.

if i'm reading the spec sheets on ledsupply.com, the 3021 series has versions that can be dimmed via an external controller. the 3021 is the ones that has pins for circuit board install instead of the wires like the ones most have been buying....but they also sell the wiring harnesses for them

http://ledsupply.com/buckpuck.php

but, message kcress or der_wille_zur_macht or one of the other electronic specialists on here to be sure....schematics/spec sheets aren't my strong suit LOL
 
Looking at LEDSupply, I'm trying to figure out the difference between the 3021-D-I and the 3021-D-E. Obviously the difference is that the 'I' model has an On-Board Trim function, but I'm not sure how crucial that is if I would be hooking it up to a gang pot (short term) or a controller (long term).

Ideas from the electrical gurus?

Thanks
 
thanks, i wanted to buy the buckpucks because they are easiest to dim with pots but i also wanted the option to upgrade to a more sophisticated dimming control down the road like an Arduino board. im 90% sure it can do it with the bucks but i dont want to spend the money unless im sure. :)





<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15600532#post15600532 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by james3370
if i'm reading the spec sheets on ledsupply.com, the 3021 series has versions that can be dimmed via an external controller. the 3021 is the ones that has pins for circuit board install instead of the wires like the ones most have been buying....but they also sell the wiring harnesses for them

http://ledsupply.com/buckpuck.php

but, message kcress or der_wille_zur_macht or one of the other electronic specialists on here to be sure....schematics/spec sheets aren't my strong suit LOL
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15600812#post15600812 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by markywmson
Looking at LEDSupply, I'm trying to figure out the difference between the 3021-D-I and the 3021-D-E. Obviously the difference is that the 'I' model has an On-Board Trim function, but I'm not sure how crucial that is if I would be hooking it up to a gang pot (short term) or a controller (long term).

Ideas from the electrical gurus?

Thanks

Chances are good you will ultimately set them somewhere for the colors you like then just turn them on and off with a power switch or timer somewhere from then on. If this fits your scheme use the "I" models.

Also if you have coral and similar creatures they are going to take a dim view of brightness twiddling. You may think it's fun to mess with the brightness and color mix but to them it is very stressful. So again I wouldn't bother with external pots to vary the light color/brightness because I would only use it for the first day or maybe a week for dialing in the color and acclimating the wildlife. (of course you could also do that with an external pot)

However if you want to use some sort of sunrise/sunset method via an external controller you should use the "E" series to keep your options open.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15600241#post15600241 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by madadi
that thing is awesome. i bet you can tan under that lol

can someone confirm that buckpucks can be controlled with an arduino board granted you program it correctly! otherwise ill have to use some other drivers.

madadi; I don't know anything about the arduino board so I am having a hard time answering your query.:(
 
i think what i ended up deciding i will do is i will have however many buckpucks of (6) blue leds & the same of whites (depending on the size tank i end up doing....which is still up in the air). the whites will be on one power supply & the blues on another & gang pots for each as well.

for sunrise/sunset have all the blues come on for about 30 min to hour & then the whites come on & then reversed end of day. also thought about doing a string or 2 of 50/50 white/blue on a seperate power supply & have them come on between all the blues & whites....all blues>>50/50>>all whites>>reverse

i think that would be the easiest way & like kcress said, use the pots only to adjust the overall color balance & intensity...set it & forget it type of thing
 
Gang Pots

Gang Pots

I am not sure I understand what people are wanting to do, but you do not need gang pots. If you want say 4 buck pucks to come on and then get brighter you only need one pot. If you want one bank to come on and get brigher, and then the next, and the next. Then you need separate controls.

DO NOT attach the reference voltage of different BuckPusk together. You might think you could get 40ma to drive a controller, but more likely you will blow up the buck puck.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15600241#post15600241 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by madadi

can someone confirm that buckpucks can be controlled with an arduino board granted you program it correctly! otherwise ill have to use some other drivers.

They absolutely can. Look at the datasheet, there are a bunch of different dimming options shown. Look at figure 15 on page 7 - "Interface to PIC or other microcontroller." The buckpucks really just want a variable 0-5v signal to dim, which you can generate with an GPIO pin on the arduino.

Give me a few more months (I'm moving and starting a new job this weekend, and child #3 is due in a few weeks, so projects are delayed) and I'll have a project completed that implements this - using an arduino to dim LEDs for sunrise, sunset, and moon phases at night. I have it working now at that basic level - it's not presentable yet, but the concept is there. I have the arduino talking to a RTC so it knows date and time, which it can calculate sunrise, sunset, and moon phase from, then dim the LEDs accordingly.

I'm also working on a "storm" feature where it'll dim the lights very low for a random half hour or so, in the afternoon, every few days (to imitate clouds blocking the sun), with occasional full-brightness strobe flashes (to imitate lightning) while the "clouds" are passing over. I'm hoping to also wire in control to a Tunze powerhead, so I can have a wavemaker feature linked in to the storm mode, also.

And now that I've spilled the beans, I better get working. :lol:
 
For clarification, I perhaps someone needs to come out and say it: there are two different functions people are trying to accomplish with dimming:

1) Set and forget dimming: use a pot to manually tweak the "color balance" on your tank by increasing or decreasing the intensity of the white and/or blue LEDs. To accomplish this, you need one dimming control per bank of LED drivers that you want controlled together. In other words, if you want to dim all your white LEDs as a batch, you can use a single pot.

2) Automated dimming: use a microcontroller or some other device to gradually "fade" the lights in and out to simulate sunrise and sunset. For this, you need a PWM or variable DC voltage signal, per bank of LED drivers.

Also, there's a similar concept as far as being able to turn the banks on and off. Regardless of which type of driver you are doing, you need one power cord for each bank of lights you want to be able to turn on and off as a batch. In other words, if you want to turn all your whites on and off together, you need one power cord run to all your white LED drivers. (If you are doing meanwell drivers, or other AC-DC drivers, you just run this power cord right to each driver in that bank. If you are doing buckpucks, you'd typically have a single power cord running to one big DC power supply, then wire all the buckpucks to that power supply in parallel.)

I think one of the biggest changes LEDs will bring to the community will be in how we approach the granularity of control it gives us. If I have a tank with two metal halide lamps, I have two states for two light sources (i.e. they can each be either on or off). There's no in between. I can't spotlight a certain patch of reef, or create a "shaft" of light that lasts an hour at noon every day, or fade light from one side of the tank to the other, or follow the intensity curve of light on a real reef. With LEDs, you can get pretty much infinite control. That same tank with 2 MH lamps might instead have 96 LEDs over it, in 16 banks of 6 LEDs per bank. Now, I can dim each of those 16 banks independently, if I wish. I can also position and angle them independently, to get the EXACT lighting effect I want in the tank.
 
Does anyone know whether buckpucks can be converted to a 0-10V signal?

I want to attach it to my controller, but I'm not even sure where to start?
 
fernandokng, if you have a controller that puts out a 0 - 10V DC signal, you just need to use a voltage divider (can be as simple as a pair resistors) to cut it down to 0 - 5V DC.
 
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