DIY LEDs - The write-up

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Is anyone having lots of luck with SPS with LEDs? I'm interested in going in this diirection as it'll be cheaper in the long term but I'm just wondering how the sps coral color and growth has been for people. I'm probably going to be getting an Cceanic 30 cube and want to go SPS only. Any thoughts?
 
Nabber, check out this page in the thread:

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1630589&perpage=25&pagenumber=29

Soundwave talks about his tank and shows some growth pics. It seems like there is a good track record for SPS under LED, though there have been a few poeple that have had unexplained problems - IMHO though, it's hard to always attribute those problems to lighting.

Also, search on other reef forums, there are lots of other people out there using LEDs for SPS, but some times you have to dig a bit to fnd them.
 
convert watts to lumens

convert watts to lumens

I found a reference on the web that a 100w incandescent bulb puts out about 1700 lumens.

Wikopedia says.......
A 23 watt compact fluorescent lamp emits roughly 1500 to 1700 lm, which is comparable to a general-service 100 W incandescent light bulb designed for use at 120 V.[1][2][3][4] Incandescent light bulbs designed for operation at higher voltages are generally less efficient.[5] For example, standard 230 V bulbs listed in one online catalog include models that emit from 1200 to 1400 lm.[6] The number of lumens produced per watt of power consumed is the wall-plug luminous efficacy of the source.

If we want 4watts/gallon than:

4watts/gallon=4watts(17lumen/watt)=68lumen/gallon

We need 68lumens per gallon to acheive the old standard of 4watts /gallon.



Example 29gal tank needs 68lumens/gallon*29gallons=1972lumens or about 19 Cree Q5 leds.

Thus 1/2 of the soundwave system puts out 2400 lumen using 100 lumen Q5 cree leds.

2400lumens*1gallon/68lumens=35 gallons at 4 watts of light per gallon.
His complete system would work fine for a 75 gallon tank as it was designed to do.

Does this make any sense? (Yes I ignored how effective the light is compared to the wider spectrum lighting systems)

Here is an intersting link.

http://www.fitchfamily.com/lighting.html
 
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15356199#post15356199 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kecked
I found a reference on the web that a 100w incandescent bulb puts out about 1700 lumens.


If we want 4watts/gallon than:

4watts/gallon=4watts(17lumen/watt)=68lumen/gallon

We need 68lumens per gallon to acheive the old standard of 4watts /gallon.

This part would be OK if the standard method of lighting a reef tank was incandescent bulbs, and if incandescents gave off the same spectrum (and the same PAR) as the LEDs we are using, but neither of these assumptions are true.

Watts per gallon is a really tough measure to go by, since it ignores efficiency of the lighting technology itself, reflector or optic design, and spectrum of light. You are exposing some of this in your own calculations - that incandescent bulb is giving off 17 lumens/watt, while the LEDs people are using in this thread are around 90 lumens/watt. And, of course, the spectrum of the light is totally different between the two, plus efficiency in terms of how much light would make it in to the tank (I have no numbers on this, but the LED would clearly win.)
 
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It would be a good idea for someone to measure these new systems and offer such a formula like we have for other types of aquarium lighting. I don't have a light meter but it can't be that hard to do. This way no one would need to guess.

Since most people use 455nm leds and 6500k leds, at least for this mix we could quantify it.

I can't believe how much light this system puts out with 24 leds. My clam actually started to bleach and I had to reduce the light in half. He's starting to come back now but it will take weeks to get him up to the full intensity!
 
Why algae dies under leds

Why algae dies under leds

Any idea why I have almost zero algae growing on the walls of my tank since I changed from MH to LEDS? Hair algae is dying back as well.
 
It's likely a combination of factors. I would not be surprised if you had less light actually hitting the glass of your tank, since LEDs have a tighter downwards beam of light than any other type of lighting (i.e. MH).

I would also not be surprised if the algae just didn't like the spectrum given off by the LEDs. Go back a few pages in this thread - I posted spectral plots of the LEDs we commonly use, plus sunlight and a typical MH bulb. The plots look REALLY different!
 
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15356247#post15356247 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kecked

I can't believe how much light this system puts out with 24 leds. My clam actually started to bleach and I had to reduce the light in half. He's starting to come back now but it will take weeks to get him up to the full intensity!

I keep seeing this in different threads I am reading. Are people who have already built these fixtures now thinking they might have overbuilt?
 
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I see what you mean about spectrum but I think the plots are not the same. The side shows relative abundance but it doesn't add to 100%. It surely doesn't add up to 100% on the leds. It would be much more usful if they normalize the curves in this way so as to see percentage of wavelenght of the total.

The way the led plots look, the spectrum would actually be more like sunlight and more uniform. I just think the plots given are an approximation and are not the real output. Either way it doesn't matter it is what will grow and what will not grow that matters.
 
Completed my hanging setup, went the 3/4" conduit route.

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^^ nice :)

might i suggest some type of pin or something going thru the conduit to keep your wire hangers from moving....especially off the end

like a cotter pin. this one takes 1/8" hole & fits 1/2 - 9/16 pipe. 25 in a pack:

http://www.drillspot.com/products/359075/Approved_Vendor_1WFB8_Cotter_Pin

not sure if lowes or home depot sells them or not.....

something as simple as the head of a screw that is screwed into the top of the conduit would work too....just enough of a barrier to keep the wire from moving around. i'd be scared it would fall off the end of the bar dropping that end of the light into the tank
 
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Even cutting a slice into the pipe for te wires to rest in could work, but a very good point... I know someone who had a light fall into the tank, everything died (over 200 gallon tank) and he had severe electrical burns from reaching into the tank to save the light... Natural reaction but could have been deadly.
 
asthetically speaking, i like the slit in the pipe as the best option :D

could be done by hand w/ a hacksaw. wouldn't have to be very deep either...just deep enough to accomodate the wire
 
You guys can't see it in the pics, but there are small grooves the wires are resting in just for that. That being said, the thing is so heavy the only way it would slide off is if the conduit gave out. If that happens, the light is going in the tank no matter what:eek2:
 
Hi guys! I just finished my LED build and someone told me to post some pics here in the LED thread, so here I am. All of you guys have some nice builds and great ideas, info and everything anyone can ask for building a nice setup. Thanks to all of you who indirectly helped me by posting this :D
Heres my result:
First Design Layout
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Project box with buckpucks and cables
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LEDs in place
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First Test!
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Money Shot!
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Hey Sammy,

Looks great, loke to see more tank shots from the front/sides to see the coloration of the coral with LED light. What light did you have before?

Keep us posetd on how things look in a few weeks, some have seen bleaching because these are so darn bright... I am glad to see someone else who likes the idea of the optics on the LEDS.

I like the box you used around the LED array, where did you find that. Did you use a piece of acrylic to shield the LED's from salt spray?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15360595#post15360595 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by big400g
Hey Sammy,

Looks great, loke to see more tank shots from the front/sides to see the coloration of the coral with LED light. What light did you have before?

Keep us posetd on how things look in a few weeks, some have seen bleaching because these are so darn bright... I am glad to see someone else who likes the idea of the optics on the LEDS.

I like the box you used around the LED array, where did you find that. Did you use a piece of acrylic to shield the LED's from salt spray?

Thanks, heres the tank thread if you want to take a look in a while to see growth and all:
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1658978

Before, actually had some PCs until I finished the LED setup so it was temporarily. I acclimated the corals with the dimmer in the buckpucks so it wasn't really a shock.

The box is made from 1/2" acrylic and like james said, you can see the spash guard in the pic from the bottom up
 
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