DIY Sulfur Denitrator

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Frankie,
Agreed, I will be doing it the "right way". I don't plan on putting any fish or coral into the tank for at lest another couple months. I am going to wait until I have ALL water parameters perfect and then let it run for another few of weeks. I am going to take pics along the way and try and document every thing to show progress. Thanks for your input and help on this! You are truly and asset to the communty.
 
After looking at your plan, I could mod my Eheim 2217 to act as a sulfur denitrator.

I only have to close-loop it to a cpvc and add an effluent and an input. The remaining problem would be to add a valve to let the gas out.

Could this be a good idea?

Nick
 
well the reactor has been going for 2 days straight and i havent has any gases coming out of the top. is that suppose to be like that. At this point I'm wonderign if this reactor is working or not. still 1 drip per second. should I turn it up
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11873926#post11873926 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by nbourre
After looking at your plan, I could mod my Eheim 2217 to act as a sulfur denitrator.

I only have to close-loop it to a cpvc and add an effluent and an input. The remaining problem would be to add a valve to let the gas out.

Could this be a good idea?

Nick

Yeah, some people have done that as well and it works fine for them.

djfrankie
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11874047#post11874047 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by asmodeus
well the reactor has been going for 2 days straight and i havent has any gases coming out of the top. is that suppose to be like that. At this point I'm wonderign if this reactor is working or not. still 1 drip per second. should I turn it up

Mike,

leave as is for another day and test your effluent for Nitrates. Get back here with the results.

djfrankie
 
Well good news to a point. the water in the chamber is super clear...... And i can see the media rolling aroudn in there. I turned the reactor on its side to side it moving and the maxi was blowing it around the pretty good i twisted it left and right just to see if the water was getting through the media. it was.

THe media looks fine to me, no problems with it didnt turn to mush. So I was checking the flow and noticed that the out put valve looked a little clogged so i open it up and run it for a bit.
will that screw up the bacteria growing in there runnign it fast it was only for about 15 seconds. and still there is no gases coming out. opened it again this morning and nothing

Will that effect the effluent coming out because i tested and its still at 40PPM, may be i dont have enough in there its almost 1/2 full thou.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11876481#post11876481 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by asmodeus
Well good news to a point. the water in the chamber is super clear...... And i can see the media rolling aroudn in there. I turned the reactor on its side to side it moving and the maxi was blowing it around the pretty good i twisted it left and right just to see if the water was getting through the media. it was.

THe media looks fine to me, no problems with it didnt turn to mush. So I was checking the flow and noticed that the out put valve looked a little clogged so i open it up and run it for a bit.
will that screw up the bacteria growing in there runnign it fast it was only for about 15 seconds. and still there is no gases coming out. opened it again this morning and nothing

Will that effect the effluent coming out because i tested and its still at 40PPM, may be i dont have enough in there its almost 1/2 full thou.

Hey Mike,

A couple of things worry me at this point with the media you're using;

1) You haven't had to degass up until now.

The media from Midwest or PA (same media) already comes seeded with denitrifying bacteria and the process takes a much shorter time.

Two things you can do at this time. One, call Caribsea and find out if their media is pre-seeded. Two, wait longer the media will eventually seed itself, but I don't know how long that will take.

2) You're getting the effluent valve clogged up which leads me to believe the media is dissolving somehow. The only times I've noticed slower effluent in my reactor is when there is gas buildup. Up until now I have never gotten the effluent clogged up. Not saying it will not happen, just saying it hasn't happened yet. It could also be some particles were still left in there since your last "mush event" ??

To answer your last question;

I left the degass valve accidentally opened the other day overnight when I went to work. When I went to feed the fish the next evening I noticed the stream of water and closed it back up. Within hours my effluent was already zero. So 15 seconds is not going to mess it up.

HTH,
djfrankie
 
hey there Frank I tested the effluent and its lokks liek its starting to change, from 40 to may be 35 or even 30 its hard to tell with the test kit that i have. but I think its converting the water in the chamber is really clear and the beads are flipping around like crazy keeping them turned over.:smokin:

Should i lower the drip its still at 1 drip per second
 
hey there Frank I tested the effluent and its lokks liek its starting to change, from 40 to may be 35 or even 30 its hard to tell with the test kit that i have. but I think its converting the water in the chamber is really clear and the beads are flipping around like crazy keeping them turned over.:smokin:

Should i lower the drip its still at 1 drip per second
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11878090#post11878090 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by asmodeus
hey there Frank I tested the effluent and its lokks liek its starting to change, from 40 to may be 35 or even 30 its hard to tell with the test kit that i have. but I think its converting the water in the chamber is really clear and the beads are flipping around like crazy keeping them turned over.:smokin:

Should i lower the drip its still at 1 drip per second

No, keep it the same until effluent is zero nitrates.

djfrankie
 
I just read this on a sulpher reactors on reefkeeping .net
its a good read too.

An article published by MARS (18/5/98) and written by Christophe SOLER gives a good picture of the method. I will just simply give historical precision and further information. It is my ex-professor Guy Martin from Ecole Nationale Supérieure de Rennes who is at the origin of this idea; he applied it to fresh water treatment for public water.

I tested this method with seawater, which was new, especially since we didn't know if it would have toxic consequences for our animals, as soon as 1991.
It is only by the end of 1994, after three years of experiments without apparent toxicity in numerous aquariums and species present at home, that I proposed this method to Michel Hignette, curator of the MAAO aquarium. A pilot project was lunched under my care.

Since then the experiment was done on a much bigger scale, at the MAAO, as well as in the Grand Aquarium in Saint-Malo, of which I was technical and scientific director from June, 1st 1996 to mid-December 1997.
I wish to stress the fact that I am using since 1996 beads of sulfur of a 3.5-mm diameter. This form is much easier to use than bars that you have to break using a hammer.

The quantity of sulfur to use depends on the initial nitrate level at startup and on the amount of food added. I consider that a sulfur volume equal to 1% of the total water volume is enough when the initial level is below 50 mg/l (NO3-).
The water flow that must go through the sulfur column depends on the nitrate level of the water to be treated: the more nitrates, the lower the flow must be, otherwise you will find part of the nitrates will be found after the column.
At startup, you can count on 1 liter per hour and per sulfur liter in the column. Then you can adjust in the following manner:
- If the flow rate is too low, you will get a rotten egg smell at the column's exit due to a production of sulfurous hydrogen (H2S). This will rarely happen for really low flow rates.
- If the flow rate is too high, you will detect nitrites or nitrates in the output water.
- If the flow rate is correct, you should obtain 0 nitrates.
However, experiments show that the system is very tolerant regarding the flow rate, which could go up to 5 liters per hour per sulfur liter.

The water sent to the column could come from a filter derivation or directly from the aquarium. The column must allow the produced nitrogen to escape: for these reason a vertical circulation, from bottom to top, seems a better choice, with a flow-rate setting at the input, not at the output. The column's output can be open to the air. The water exiting the sulfur column can be very acidic, but after my experiments getting the gas out of the water (by using an air-stone for example) allows to get a pH close to the original. The water's acidity is then at least mainly linked to the presence of carbon dioxide; thus the idea to use this water to make a calcium reactor by making it flow in a second (and why not a third) columns, identical in size to the one containing the sulfur, but this time filled with maerl or some coral sand (the same that you are using for your sandbed).
This output water also contains sulfates in quantities slightly higher than at the input, but in 7 year of experiments it has never been observed any consequence, even in aquariums that didn't get any water changes for years. It must be noted about that subject that there was an error in the publication made with the MAAO: the sulfur level in natural seawater is near 900 mg/l; this sulfur is present under the form of about 2.65 g/l sulfate (SO4--), quantity, which by itself can explain that the system's addition in sulfate will be without any notable consequenceAn article published by MARS (18/5/98) and written by Christophe SOLER gives a good picture of the method. I will just simply give historical precision and further information. It is my ex-professor Guy Martin from Ecole Nationale Supérieure de Rennes who is at the origin of this idea; he applied it to fresh water treatment for public water.
 
well I tested again tonight at 9:30pm and still the chamber is super clean, the media is still in tacted so that is a good thing. I tested for nitrates and nothing still sitting at 40Pmm may be a slight shade lighter not much this reactor has been going for 3 days and still nothing. I have a120 gal tank with a 75 gal sump using about 50 gal. so a total water coverage of about 170 gal. i still have adrip setting of 1 drip /sec and i dont have any sulphur smell and the chamber is half full of media. I'm lost for words i will give it another day or so and see what will happen. if not its coming over and i will chalk this one up as a bad experience and a waste of money. others that have great sucess right on keep up the great work.


mike
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11877554#post11877554 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by djfrankie
Hey Mike,


2) You're getting the effluent valve clogged up which leads me to believe the media is dissolving somehow. The only times I've noticed slower effluent in my reactor is when there is gas buildup. Up until now I have never gotten the effluent clogged up. Not saying it will not happen, just saying it hasn't happened yet. It could also be some particles were still left in there since your last "mush event" ??

thereason that it ws clogging i didn't rinse the media, got to excited and i got the media from a friend who used it and then put it back into the container, then he shipped it out to me I took it and dried it out. may be that makes a difference. ?????
 
If the media is not pre seeded, which most media is not, it will take upwards of 2-3 weeks before you start seeing a drop in NO3. Just be patient and I suspect it will start working fine.
 
i just built one of these and im going to use a aqualifter pump and was wondering how much flow to run into the reactor? and how do i know how much flow is actually entering the reactor? sorry for the dumb questions but im trying not screw things up
i have a 180gal tank with 50 gal sump
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11882998#post11882998 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by asmodeus
well I tested again tonight at 9:30pm and still the chamber is super clean, the media is still in tacted so that is a good thing. I tested for nitrates and nothing still sitting at 40Pmm may be a slight shade lighter not much this reactor has been going for 3 days and still nothing. I have a120 gal tank with a 75 gal sump using about 50 gal. so a total water coverage of about 170 gal. i still have adrip setting of 1 drip /sec and i dont have any sulphur smell and the chamber is half full of media. I'm lost for words i will give it another day or so and see what will happen. if not its coming over and i will chalk this one up as a bad experience and a waste of money. others that have great sucess right on keep up the great work.


mike

Mike- I understand your frustration BUT good things this in hobby take time (I know you that) here is a thought for u I think you said you got the media from a friend and even washed it, right, so what I'm think is that the LSM which was orginal seeded has lost it is bacteria in the process of your friend shutting it down, u washing it....so I think it must reseed it's self so let it run and it could 2 or 3 WEEKS to do so.

Mike is your unit hookup to your tank? if so are there fish or what have u in there, must have source of bacteria, could add some "Cycle" for bacteria...Just some thoughts..good luck

Dick
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11885225#post11885225 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by asmodeus
well I didnt wash it I just dried it out with a fan.

Mike,
assuming the Caribsea LSM you got was seeded to start with and without knowledge of how the media was used and so forth, it is safe to assume the bacteria in that media, if any, is already dead and gone.

I know there is a way to reseed it. Let me do some research and get back to you.

djfrankie
 
thanks Frank you are a great reefer and a excellent DIY'er to deal with

thanks for your time.


mike
 
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