DIY Sulfur Denitrator

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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11847342#post11847342 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by asmodeus
hey not a bad build on my reactor hey Frankie, it almost looks like yours:D

You copycat. Nice clear lid :rollface:

Whatever works....I tried to degass mine last night after a couple of days without degassing and there were no bubbles coming out. I'm thinking once it stabilizes it doesn't create as much gases any more. I'll give it a week until degassing and report then.

BTW....I have zero nitrates at this time. Hoping to see some coloring up in my corals now.

To my surprise the leather coral that I have which had two babies in the past month and a half hasn't been looking too great lately. I guess some corals do love the "dirtier water"

Enjoy!

djfrankie
 
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Well I thought that if I make my reactor like your then if i have a problem with it you would understand it alot easy with out pictures.

cool i guess after it is stable the gases like you said are less and less.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11847596#post11847596 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by asmodeus
Well I thought that if I make my reactor like your then if i have a problem with it you would understand it alot easy with out pictures.

cool i guess after it is stable the gases like you said are less and less.
asmodeus- Help me out here, you said your unit is gravity fed, what keeps the slight over pressure from the pump from blowing water back up the input hose???
A great looking build and of course thanks to DJ and all his effort on this project. I am awaiting my sulfur and pump to finsh my unit and will post ASAP...once again don't think I am slamming you, just a question as that is how we learn...and more importantly, thank you for all you do.....
Dick
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11850130#post11850130 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by saltydog64
asmodeus- Help me out here, you said your unit is gravity fed, what keeps the slight over pressure from the pump from blowing water back up the input hose???
A great looking build and of course thanks to DJ and all his effort on this project. I am awaiting my sulfur and pump to finsh my unit and will post ASAP...once again don't think I am slamming you, just a question as that is how we learn...and more importantly, thank you for all you do.....
Dick

hey Dick no punt in tended. I have the input line going in to my over flow just enough if the power going out the unit wont drain alot of water and over flow my sump that is a important thing. the reactor is on the floor and the tank is higher so I have the smaller gate valve. wide open and the pressure with te hose comes from having the output valve only open a bit , HTH
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11850442#post11850442 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by klasiksb
Save yourself some hassle and don't gravity feed it, us a aqualifter or a small powerhead dialed back.

ya I'm going to try this gravity feed for a bit and if it's inconsistanly im going to buy a aqua lifter since they are only 12 bucks.
 
Ok, I finally got my MJ and ARM and Matrix. I hooked everything up. I kinda have a problem. I ordered the sulphur pills from the same company as Zachtos and it's on backorder so I ordered it off of another hydroponics company and I got it in one day by UPS since it's only one state away. They pills are smaller than they look on the site. I decided to try them anyways....big mistake. I set it up with the matrix on the bottom then pad then sulphur with room at the top and since the pills are so small they start to float when I start the circulating pump and get sucked in. :mad2:
I guess I have to get larger pills to use or am I missing something?

It was only $11 for 2.5 pounds so no big loss but now I have the scoop all that #%*# out of there. :mad:
 
i went with the larger media, figured itd be less headaches in the longrun from cloggin etc. still waiting for the media to arrive tho.
 
Ok....so I did what I should have done in the first place; I ordered the sulphur from Premium Aquatics and should have it by Tuesday. They always said patience is key to this hobby and it is obviously applicable to every facet. I called all the hydroponic sites and none of them could guarantee that I would receive the larger pellets instead of the tiny split pea sized ones.

On a side note, I found an old article from 2005 (http://www.ultimatereef.net/forums/showthread.php?t=167454) and it went into the chemical reaction taking place and specific amounts of chemicals. They talked about the amount of calcium released into the tank in comparison to how much is normally dosed into a reef tank. Just thought it was interesting.

2. CALCIUM SUPPLEMENTATION

Randy takes a crack at how much calcium might be produced in the below


To estimate the magnitude of the effect, we start with a liberal estimate of how much

nitrate might be removed. Say 10 ppm of nitrate per week.

10 ppm nitrate = 0.16 mmole/L of nitrate

Since 4 moles of H+ are produced for every 6 moles of nitrate consumed, this will produce

0.107 mmoles/L of H+ per week

How much calcium this could produce?
Assume that it takes one proton to dissolve one calcium carbonate:

CaCO3 + H+ ---> Ca++ + HCO3-

Clearly, this is a substantial overestimate because much of the acid will be used up driving the pH down to the point where CaCO3 can even begin to dissolve. Consequently, we have an upside limit of

0.107 mmoles of Ca++ per week

since calcium weighs 40 mg/mmol, that's

4.3 ppm Ca++ per week.

For comparison, an aquarist adding 2% of the tank volume in saturated limewater daily is adding on the order of 16 ppm of calcium per day. Consequently, this method may not be especially useful for maintaining calcium and alkalinity levels. On the other hand, the acid produced will have a long term lowering effect on the alkalinity, so if you use it, watch the alkalinity.
 
this may have already been covered, but do we have any formula for how much sulphur to use?

Somthing like given 10ppm nitrate per week in a X size tank you need Y amount of sulphur?

Or is it just try it and see?
 
ok so we know that the ALK will drop about 2.6 meg ok so if you are running Kalk thur a Kalk reactor 24/7 and now that you have a Sulphur reactor , will the ALk only drop the first time or will it continue to drop the more u use it. or would it work if you use it to drop the nitrates and then shut it down. and then later on check for nitrates if they come back can you start it up again.... that may have to to be the way to go. Franke what are your thought on that one...
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11853344#post11853344 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Paul_PSU
Here is my final setup. I have the two smaller reactors I made for carbon and Phosar. They are just hanging with a zip tie and "s" hook so I can remove them to change out weekly. My sump takes up 90% of my the space in the bottom of my cabinet. I am going to make a stand out of wood with a door on the front to hide it but still give me access.

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii141/novak_psu/reef/P1010018.jpg

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii141/novak_psu/reef/P1010019.jpg

Paul- Great looking job, good work! Be sure to post update(s) on your tank parameters, trates, ect.
 
EnderG60, There isn"t any formula. The norm seems to be to fill 1/4 of the reactor with sulphur.

When I get my nitrates under control, I'll just shut mine down and try to get the algae in the fuge to maintain. I am switching from a FOWLR to a reef. I only have a purple tang since I sold off the others. I will get more inverts and smaller gobies so I don't think I will be feeding that much. As soon as I get my nitrates under control I can start adding some coral. Just 75lbs of rock, snails and my tang now. I got my phosphates to 0ppm with phosar in about 5 days, so it's just my nitrates that are still very high at 50 :eek2:
 
saltydog, thanks!
I will definitely post some before and after pics. I don't want to post the before pics yet since my tank looks like crap :rolleye1:

I will post them along with the after, too embarassed to post the current yet. :o
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11854664#post11854664 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Paul_PSU
saltydog, thanks!
I will definitely post some before and after pics. I don't want to post the before pics yet since my tank looks like crap :rolleye1:

I will post them along with the after, too embarassed to post the current yet. :o

Dude never be embarassed to show your tank IMO there is only one Wrong reefer that is the perosn that doesnt have a tank.. now post that pic
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11823313#post11823313 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by zachtos
Question:

It's been two weeks. My tank is now down to 0.5-1ppm NO3(salifert). I have been reading a effluent ph of 8.8 now and the tank ph is 8.3. It is running through the calcium media, but I smell a slight slight rotten egg smell now. Does this high ph mean that the device is working or not? I know that smell indicates I may need higher flow, but it's already around 300ml/minute. I increased it to 500ml/minute now. I have 4 liters of sulphur media in the device.

Help?

Well, my effluent no longer smells of 'rotten eggs' now that I increased the flow to 750ml/minute or so. That seems to be awfully fast flow for only 4L of 99% sulphur media. The effluent ph is now around 7.7 and the tank ph is typically 8.05-8.25. This is the ph after it exits the calcium chamber. Does this mean that the device is still working you think?

*my current nitrates are still 0.5-1ppm nitrate in the tank (down from around 10ppm before.)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11856556#post11856556 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by zachtos
Well, my effluent no longer smells of 'rotten eggs' now that I increased the flow to 750ml/minute or so. That seems to be awfully fast flow for only 4L of 99% sulphur media. The effluent ph is now around 7.7 and the tank ph is typically 8.05-8.25. This is the ph after it exits the calcium chamber. Does this mean that the device is still working you think?

*my current nitrates are still 0.5-1ppm nitrate in the tank (down from around 10ppm before.)

Great news!

Make sure you maintain the reactor's effluent at zero. Too high a flow through the reactor will most likely convert it into an aerobic filter which we don't want.

HTH,
djfrankie
 
Just to answer a few questions and I'll come back later with the specifics and documentation to support what I just said. Kindda busy now so bear with me:

1) It is a known fact your Alk levels will drop. So keep an eye on this. It is easier to adjust for Alk than to lower Nitrates, IMO.

2) There is a formula for the amount of media and flow required based on your actual water volume.

3) Too little media won't process the nitrates fast enough to make an impact on your tank's level.

4) Too much media will lower your nitrate levels too quick and your tanks' inhabitants won't like it. Side effects may not show right away.

5) The reactor is meant to be run continuously. Although, it can be taken offline and the media reused at a later point.

6) The only reason for running aragonite after the effluent is to raise the Ph of the effluent. Don't expect this to maintain your calcium levels. You still need to supplement Ca and Alk using your preferred method.

7) Some of you guys that are using other media keep an eye out on your media and report here if you see any issues. The media that I recommended at the beginning of this thread has been tested extensively by major manufacturers. So use a different media at your own risk.

8) Make sure you lower your nitrates to 50 ppm or lower before you start the reactor. You will see faster results and not get frustrated.


9) Water changes are still necessary since they replenish all the trace elements so basic and fundamental for a healthy reef aquarium. Don't get the idea that this is a replacement for not doing water changes.

10) Patience is a virtue in this hobby. The only thing that happens overnight is disaster.

Ok back to work now for me.

HTH,
djfrankie
 
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