does anybody keep anemones with sps corals?

jenreef

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right now i have like 8 sps corals and one of them is a colony. i want a rbta so bad. but i am scared to buy it because i know they wonder around when you first put them in the tank until they settle. and i am scared for the anemone to sting my corals when he wonders around the tank to find the right spot. any suggestions? buy/not buy
 
I keep a long tentacle in the same tank as my sps. Anemones dont wonder unless they are not happy. Mine has never moved at all.
 
I have over 30 sps species in my tank along with a RBTA and a GBTA. No issues other then not placing certain corals near the nems. Mine never moved from the place I put them but if they moved I would probably have to rearrange some of my sps. They slap and sting my Idaho Grape and all that happened was the cap grew thicker in that area. They slapped and stung one of my milli's and it was not so happy about it so it got moved. This was before it split.
 
I've got an rbta and sps in my tank my rbta is huge about the size of a dinner plate when fully open and inflated. Even if you put it in a spot initially it may move yes. my suggestion is if you have a spot directly under the lighting and that has good indirect flow thats your spot. Typically nems want good flow but dont want to be blasted with water. Keep in mind It may say F this i'm outa here and move right next to your favorite sps. they also grow rapidly and split whenever they want into 2. I'm not discouraging you my rbta is the center of the show in my tank with my two black and whites hosting it just be mindful they can cause issues. My vote is get a small one and hope it stays where you put it. Good luck
 
I only do it with sand dwelling anemones -- Haddonis in my case. In the past I had BTAs (( E. Quadricolor )) with SPS and had issues. The main anemone stayed put, but the clones would move until they found their spot. Plus, the last BTA I had was 15"+ across and took up valuable rock space.
 
I keep mine in my 180 sps tank stays put even when it split last night. Now there are two side by side!


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So if Anemones move, they are stressed?

Stressed or not "happy" with the conditions that they are under. That could be, too much light, too little light, too much flow, not enough flow...etc. Or, even poor water quality can/will cause them to move.
 
it's difficult to wonder if you don't have a brain- and anemones don't have a brain! :)

in addition to (potentially) destroying SPS by direct contact:
feeding any anemone species can degrade water quality to sub optimal conditions for SPS

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Jenreef, it best not to add a RBTA if you really like the SPS. I have close to 50 RBTA in a 125G tank. In October of 08 I only had 9 RBTA. So with the right conditions they can split like crazy and dominate the tank. I had some sps in the tank and with exception to some montipora and a small brain coral, that's all that remains, and I'm constantly trying to protect the brain by irritating the RBTA that get close to it.

Larry
 
I only do it with sand dwelling anemones -- Haddonis in my case. In the past I had BTAs (( E. Quadricolor )) with SPS and had issues. The main anemone stayed put, but the clones would move until they found their spot. Plus, the last BTA I had was 15"+ across and took up valuable rock space.

Im with Todd i only have a Haddoni and will not go back to a BTA.
 
Like everyone has said, it can be done but you need to be prepared for the risks involved. In my 90, I made two distinct rock islands. The left island is where I placed my RBTA and almost every coral on that island is also located on the right island or can easily be moved. None of my prized corals (except my yuma at the bottom of the tank) stay on the island with the anemone.

My rose stayed put for 6 months until it split and then both splits started wandering. One settled down and the other is still on the move 2 weeks later. Ironically, it split just a few days after my clowns finally decided to move in.

FWIW in their wanderings, the anemones came into contact with both my tri-color valida and my ora red planet. Some damage yes, but nothing that should affect the overall health of the coral.
 
I keep an RBTA with my SPS. My RBTA does not walk around (I hope he stays that way!) Just make sure the SPS is not too close to the anemone when is swells up to its largest point.
 
So if Anemones move, they are stressed?

On the topic of a BTA moving "all the time" as some say...I would argue strongly against this statement. In my experience, from reading, and discussions with other people with far more expertise than me, a BTA will remain in its spot if all of its living conditions are being met satisfactorily. There is no benefit to the anemone (risk of being stung/sliced by corals, risk of not finding another rock in the ocean, predatory animals, etc) to "just move around" IF all conditions are appropriate.

Water quality, light, food, flow, and foot - the five conditions that must be satisfactorily met for all anemones.

Water quality: In the ocean, if local currents drastically change after storms, rivers dump crap into the ocean etc, the nem may want to move to conditions which better suit its liking. In our tanks, however, there are no other areas which have better water - but the anemone doesn't know that. This is my #1 pick for why anemones move without apparent reason. It may even be something in your water which you do not test for - or it may be BECAUSE you just did a water change and didn't match tank water close enough. The anemone is searching for something it just can not find inside a glass box, hence the so called "anemone's just sometimes walk around for no reason". We can't see the reason - so we assume there isn't one.

Light: Lighting in the ocean is quite strong. Far more than our little electrical lights we use. Even on a cloudy day the par is very high - ever had a sunburn on a cloudy day? When you introduce a BTA, you may have a spot picked out that you really want it to go, but it may decide it is too bright or too dim and promptly move. As it gets light-acclimated to your tank, it may move to a spot that is "just right" for its health in the long term. This acclimating and moving to a new home may also cause confusion to BTA's "moving a lot".

Food: Yikes! There is a lot of misconceptions about the "proper" diet for anemones. I did a write-up a while back about the topic: http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh....php?t=1835320 A basic summary of that thread is.....assuming a healthy nem, food is likely unnecessary. If you would like to feed, feed small (pencil eraser max) meaty, raw, SW-found foods. Unhealthy nems need more food to gain energy and should be fed more. Feeding leads to faster growth. Feeding can also in some cases overcome less-than-ideal lighting because the food is supplementing the light source. More in-depth information can be found at that link.

Flow: You need to determine the flow requirements of the species of nem you want, and make it match in order to decrease the likelihood of movement. BTA's will like moderate flow, but not too high or too low. Either of those may cause it to move around. Some can be very picky. I know someone who's Haddoni moved across the sandbed after he cleaned a powerhead and he thought replaced it in the exact same spot (Todd). Apparently it wasn't quite exact. Haddoni's like low flow - if their oral disk is being moved by the current, it's too much and will cause it to move.

Foot: This is my #2 reason why BTA's apparently move without known cause. The foot of most anemones also requires special concern. Some anemones like to bury in the sand, some at the sand/rock interface, and some directly onto rocks. BTA's like to have their foot in a deep crevice, hole, or cave. Basically, it's a safe zone for them to hide in if they need to retract. It's also a way for them to regulate the amount of sun it gets. These deep holes are key to keeping a BTA happy with it's current spot. They like their foot shaded, and head out in the sun.

Hope that's a good summary of what I think about BTA's, and provides some more information to your purchase.
 
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By the way, I've kept RBTA's with an SPS dominated tank for a few years. My experience was similar to Todd's: The main nems stayed put, but once one split off the clone would wander a bit until it found its new home. Yeah, it stung some corals on the wander, but since the tank was otherwise healthy the corals survived just fine.
 
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