flakey
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Take a look at this thread. I wasn't too sure myself...
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2381860
Does anyone have pics of their gigantea at night?
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Take a look at this thread. I wasn't too sure myself...
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2381860
flakey
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Here is a short video taken about 1 hour after a water change.it pretty much looks like this whenever I am around to look at it. Near the end I used a Turkey Baster to give it a blow so you can see its mouth. As you can see, the foot does not stick very much whereas the tentacles are really sticky. I was thinking maybe it does not like where it is and looking for more flow but as soon as I put another of those small powerheads in there it just blows or around and ends up upside down or pressed against the egg crate. I am at a loss now as to what to try.
http://youtu.be/GAlmsHzdcpk
http://youtu.be/GAlmsHzdcpk
taylor t
New member
Is this guy deflating? At all? If not, then I would not cut the light, but I would actually think about increasing it (only if I was able to stay home to monitor it's response to more light, so negative response to increased light can be adjusted ASAP after negative response is observed...I suspect hammering a deflated nem with light in early acclimation, or a recovery, can be more damaging than good, IMO, but ultimately they need lots of light...I know, a contradiction). If I remember correct, this guy has already gotten over the initial shipping stress, right? By now, it should be in the "rebuilding" stage of it's internal zoo count, past the shipping/purging state...ready for more light...and flow... If you can't watch it in person, (get yourself [and us] an IP camera
) during the photo period as you adjust it, be careful increasing...go slow... First big hurdle to get over is deflating. Once it's stable, not deflating (and in your case, after it is attached too), SLOWLY, ultimately, these guys need more light and flow. Got to get there sooner or later (sooner is better, but don't kill it in a rush). Don't worry about tentacle length. That will increase as health does, along with color improvement. In looking at your video, if it was mine, I would do something like the pic below, so I could turn up the flow a LITTLE bit. Just a little. It just looks a bit stagnant in there. It still needs to be gentle flow. IMO, most of the tents need a little flow, just enough to rock them a little at the tips, but not blow it around... Tall order. If it poops, the flow needs to be able to carry it away. This will be hard to achieve with a nem that won't anchor, so you/it may have to settle for a little less... until it anchors. Gentle is key, for now.
A tuperware container with a peice of fully cured live rock, but not live rock with lots of stuff on it. I've got a few pieces in my sump, in the dark, I can pull from when I need the bacteria culture, but don't want the photo process of the junk that grows on it in our every day reef rocks (the nem will cover it, blocking light). If this makes any sense... Just to keep the container with the nem from floating around, and help with the junk the nem discharges (hopefully it never is needed, but JIC something comes up and water cant be changed on time-it happens). Also, if the flow is on the higher side, it can retract into the container for "shelter".
Keep up with the high standards of water quality. So far I don't see anything that would stop your guy from making a come back... But, it may take a looooong time... to return to it's former glory... AND a LOT of work. If you've already done the suggested amount of days of cipro already, I wouldn't do any more. I've noticed with mine, the day after I stop doing cipro, they tend to "look" a little better the next day with 100% new water with no cipro. Not a huge improvement, but overall just look a bit "happier", or maybe it's just me that's happy because they're still alive, and the hastle of treatment is over!
Just my gut, your nem to me, looks like it's in need of a little more flow and light. It's hard for someone like me to give opinions and recommendations as to improvement on these animals, there are so many details that go into it, and IME, it depends on the animal (and their response to changes). In my house, I give my gigs one free pass (one deflate). If it happens again with in a week or few, I treat. I'd have to look, but I think I treated one of my blues 3x's? I'm not willing to "let it ride" when it comes to gigs anymore.
I think I read recently, a great tip (Pretty sure it was Minh who stated). Take a picture everyday, same time, and compare. You should see the progress or regress.
Again, I suck at getting all the details. I added lines after I reread, so if it doesn't make sense, I'm sorry... Best of luck. Please keep us updated.
flakey
Member
I have never witnessed any deflation at all. But that doesn't mean it doesnt do it when i'm not around.
Thats a great idea regarding the tupperware. I will get that setup tonight. I also stopped using cipro this morning.
I will also look into a IP camera this weekend. After seeing worms updates, I've been meaning to but never got round to it.
Thats a great idea regarding the tupperware. I will get that setup tonight. I also stopped using cipro this morning.
I will also look into a IP camera this weekend. After seeing worms updates, I've been meaning to but never got round to it.
flakey
Member
Video just now
http://youtu.be/EadSI2-c8Po
I think it looks happy so will try and maintain this environment for the time being
http://youtu.be/EadSI2-c8Po
I think it looks happy so will try and maintain this environment for the time being
xtlosx
Just Reefin'
While he looks pancake'ey which isn't a good sign, the mouth was actually decent.. Keep at it..
When I treated a Mag some time ago it was deflated and looked on deaths door. After day three of cipro, it actually perked up, and by a full day seven of treatment, it looked amazing. Give this guy a couple of days, the antibiotics are cleaning out his inside, guts, everything, so just give him some time and patience.
Good luck, we're all rooting for yea.
D-Nak
Active member
+1. Healthy gigs are not flat, like yours appears in the video. But this isn't to say that it won't make it. Definitely hang in there and good luck!
flakey
Member
Time for an update. Last week i was doing a water change and saw this...
It didn't look good so I got rid of the stones. Not sure if relate but I took them out anyway
I'm still using cipro because as soon as I stop, it's mouth is gaping open. Seems like it's on life support and struggling to stay alive, but when I do a water change and cipro, it's mouth closes back up quite nicely
I've been away for a while so got the wife to add cipro every night as she won't do water changes and it looked worse than ever. This is how it looked after a immediate water change
I'm beginning to think if there is any point continuing treatment as it is getting smaller and looking slightly worse every day. Is this a any hope ??
It didn't look good so I got rid of the stones. Not sure if relate but I took them out anyway
I'm still using cipro because as soon as I stop, it's mouth is gaping open. Seems like it's on life support and struggling to stay alive, but when I do a water change and cipro, it's mouth closes back up quite nicely
I've been away for a while so got the wife to add cipro every night as she won't do water changes and it looked worse than ever. This is how it looked after a immediate water change
I'm beginning to think if there is any point continuing treatment as it is getting smaller and looking slightly worse every day. Is this a any hope ??
Centralreefs
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Sorry to hear and see its not doing to well. Also, you have a beautiful tank setup!
flakey
Member
thanks centralreefs.
i dont think there is many days now so may pull the plug tonight. when doing water changes and creating a bit more water movement, a white cloud of misty stuff would come out the mouth like the internals decaying. I can't remember the last time I've made so much salt water for for such a length of time.
i dont think there is many days now so may pull the plug tonight. when doing water changes and creating a bit more water movement, a white cloud of misty stuff would come out the mouth like the internals decaying. I can't remember the last time I've made so much salt water for for such a length of time.
yanagisawa
New member
The gut is inside-out and pancake-liked body shows that she is properly not made it...
Besides, from the picture, no brown jelly-like stuff was secreted from her mouth. A unhealthy but still live gigantea will pop out somethings like this. Do you observed anything like that?
good luck brother...
Besides, from the picture, no brown jelly-like stuff was secreted from her mouth. A unhealthy but still live gigantea will pop out somethings like this. Do you observed anything like that?
good luck brother...
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