Does this picture look like Ich?

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taylortot

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Fish in QT tank, looks like ich and that's what I have been treating, but kind of not exactly the same as what I remember it looking like when I had an ich outbreak 6 months ago in my freshwater??? I feel like I have sooo many questions on here :confused: I just want to make sure I do things right.

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Yes it looks like ich.
That also looks like rock in your QT which is going to be an issue.
I would reach the sticky posting and I strongly encourage you to consider the tank transfer method.
 
It would appear to be ich. I have saw some of your other postings and the FW dips will not do anything for the ich. Also, garlic and ginger does nothing to get rid of ich. There are only a few accepted methods to get rid of ich. They are Tank transfer method (TTM), copper, and hyposalinity.
IMO TTM is the most effective and least stressful if done correctly. Copper and hypo each have their on set of issues that make them more difficult to do.

In addition all fish need to be removed from the DT and the tank left fishless for 72 days.
 
gone fishin said:
It would appear to be ich. I have saw some of your other postings and the FW dips will not do anything for the ich. Also, garlic and ginger does nothing to get rid of ich. There are only a few accepted methods to get rid of ich. They are Tank transfer method (TTM), copper, and hyposalinity.
IMO TTM is the most effective and least stressful if done correctly. Copper and hypo each have their on set of issues that make them more difficult to do.

In addition all fish need to be removed from the DT and the tank left fishless for 72 days.
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I'm going to look into the tank transfer since I'm scared of using copper.

How big should my QT be if I have 2 chromis, a clown, and a tang I need to QT? is 20g sufficient?
 
Sapelo said:
Yes it looks like ich.
That also looks like rock in your QT which is going to be an issue.
I would reach the sticky posting and I strongly encourage you to consider the tank transfer method.
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It is a fake rock with some fake coral on it. Only reason I bought it is because my tang was obsessed with it at the store I bought him from. thought maybe it'd be comforting for him since he loved it so much at the store. I can switch to some pvc pipes or something though very easily :) I'm looking into the TTM, I'm terrified of using copper anyways
 
taylortot said:
I'm going to look into the tank transfer since I'm scared of using copper.

How big should my QT be if I have 2 chromis, a clown, and a tang I need to QT? is 20g sufficient?
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How big is the tang and the clown? What type of tang and clown? If they are on the small side then a 20 long would probably work. Be vigilant for ammonia in a smaller tank with 4 fish and possible aggression. if they are larger then you may want to consider a couple of 20's for the main QT

If your looking To do TTM then a couple 10g is what I use but you may to divide the fishes up into 2 batches for the reasons stated above.
 
Ok, from what I've been studying on Ich...

Ich is a parasite that is in every body of water.

The reason ich effects our fish negatively is
A) large colonies of the parasite
B) weak immune systems of the fish

I have read countless articles saying that if the ich is not effecting the fish to the point that it's not eating,, garlic and vitamins can help boost the immune system to fight off the parasite.

Saying garlic "has no effect" is kind of misleading. Garlic has outstanding antimicrobial properties, and introducing it to their diet will help fight off a large amount of the infection.

A multivitamin in addition to garlic can help give the fish the nutrients it needs to build it's immune sytem, and fight off the parasite.

Ich is in every single body of water on the planet, so by removing the infected fish, you aren't really addressing the underlying cause. Especially if there are other fish in the tank, this becomes simply unrealistic, as every other fish is being exposed to the same thing the infected one is. So in turn, it's an issue with the infected fish's immune system.

You need to do several water changes, feed the fish garlic alongside a multivitamin.

If it does not get better within a week or two, no amount of QT will help because it's immune system has fallen far beyond what can be repaired, and the parasite has already taken over its host.
 
gone fishin said:
OK. Everyone is entitled to an opinion.
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Didn't mean any condescension, was just stating what I've studied.

If his fish is "acting" ill, vs just looking ill, you are correct, garlic won't do a thing because the parasite has fully colonized it's host.

I respect your opinion, because most people don't realize their fish has ich until it is physically showing symptoms, and by that point, it's more trouble to fix it, then to just get a replacement.

If I had to QT a $30 fish for 3 months, vs just getting a new healthy fish that can fight off the ich, I would just give it to an lfs for store cred and cut my loss. Do a few wc, then get a new one.
 
No worries.

After hanging around the forums for awhile I really don't debate ich anymore. The information is out there, I point folks in the direction of the treatment methods that have worked for me and others. What folks choose to do with the information is their business.
 
one thing a fw dip *can* do for a fish w/ cryptocaryon is provide some immediate relief by helping to clear the parasites off of the fish's gill filaments, enabling to get O2 more easily (and hopefully then) have more strength to deal. it won't do anything for the encysted phase of the parasites.
 
leviburns89 said:
Ok, from what I've been studying on Ich...

Ich is a parasite that is in every body of water.

The reason ich effects our fish negatively is
A) large colonies of the parasite
B) weak immune systems of the fish

I have read countless articles saying that if the ich is not effecting the fish to the point that it's not eating,, garlic and vitamins can help boost the immune system to fight off the parasite.

Saying garlic "has no effect" is kind of misleading. Garlic has outstanding antimicrobial properties, and introducing it to their diet will help fight off a large amount of the infection.

A multivitamin in addition to garlic can help give the fish the nutrients it needs to build it's immune sytem, and fight off the parasite.

Ich is in every single body of water on the planet, so by removing the infected fish, you aren't really addressing the underlying cause. Especially if there are other fish in the tank, this becomes simply unrealistic, as every other fish is being exposed to the same thing the infected one is. So in turn, it's an issue with the infected fish's immune system.

You need to do several water changes, feed the fish garlic alongside a multivitamin.

If it does not get better within a week or two, no amount of QT will help because it's immune system has fallen far beyond what can be repaired, and the parasite has already taken over its host.
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there is absolutely no documented, evidence based study that proves garlic has any benefit to any sw fish, other than maybe as a taste attractant.

there are indications that garlic may actually cause severe health issues in fish. a form of anemia, iirc.

any link between garlic and 'ich' is anecdotal conjecture based on assumption and mistaken 'causality' based on appearance to hobbyists only.

since garlic claims for fish were printed anywhere, still no actual evidence it does a darn thing, and it's been debated to death all over the internets. still no actual *evidence*.

same for vitamins.

the product marketers, who want to sell you their wares, will claim otherwise-as long as it will help them sell you garlic and vitamins.

i've spawned fw fish for decades, kept sw for decades, and spawned one specie of damsel. not one of 'em ever needed, or got, a vitamin supplement ;)
 
It has nothing to do with the vitamin and it's relation to ich.

Once again, it's the fish's ability to fight off the parasite via a strong immune system.

So you're saying vitamins don't play a role in strengthening an immune system?
 
As well, the garlic may not do anything to the ich itself, but it very well helps some fish gain back an appetite, and also provides micro nutrients, thus leading to a healthier immune system.

Also, the garlic can play a role by deterring other pests that may be bugging your fish.

I never said it was a cure, only a treatment.

There is no cure do to the fact that as soon as a fish leaves a medicated copper tank, it will be immediately reintroduced to the ich once it hits any other body of water.
 
gone fishin said:
No worries.

After hanging around the forums for awhile I really don't debate ich anymore. The information is out there, I point folks in the direction of the treatment methods that have worked for me and others. What folks choose to do with the information is their business.
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x 1,000,000,000,000,000

TTM for my fish, tyvm
 
That study helped, and fought my argument.

Does it do anything to combat the parasite, yes, and no.

It does help the fish gain it's appetite, although heavy long-term dosage can cause serious problems to the fish red blood cell count - anemia.

And a healthy appetite can help boost it's immune system.

After reading that study, I'm still on the fence. To me, it seems if you can get your fish eating again, that's gonna be the biggest advantage you can get.

And TTM isn't practical when you have 20 fish in your tank, because they would have to all be transfered, ideally into their own tanks.
 
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