Dog ate a yellow tang

[TheH]

Little bit of a stretch for you to assume that the venom glands discovered are vestigial, TampaReefer79. While there is a chance that the research is incorrect, I would defer to professionally conducted investigations by scientists to your "personal beliefs", as street-smart as you may be

Additionally, when a chemical substance is produced by an organism for the purpose of provoking an allergic reaction, who is to say that the substance is not venomous? For example, a bee sting is typically only serious when it evokes an allergic response in humans - but we still consider the chemical to be a venom.

 

[TampaReefer79]

Little bit of a stretch for you to assume that the venom glands discovered are vestigial.

They may have a venom gland that is EMPTY NOW but contained venom 10,000 years ago.

Little bit of a stretch? I said SPECIFICALLY that they MAY have a venom gland that is empty now...nothing more & nothing less. They may. Who knows. Can you prove that tangs have venom glands loaded with venom waiting to strike? No? Well on the flip side of that coin I cannot prove that they do not. Which brings me way up to one of my original posts stating that this is one of those situations similar to 'is ich in every tank or not'. It's all a matter of opinion. And I've stated mine. :beer: I think we should open up a new thread entirely to debate the venom topic since we've taken the OP's thread a bit off track. :spin2:


OP: I do not think that your dog had a seizure due to eating a yellow tang. Venom being present or not. lol

 

[TheH]

TampaReefer I won't offer a counter-argument because I think your own post makes your "opinion" weaker than anything I could further say.

But I will say that I also feel that venom is probably not an issue here, but I would also suggest taking your dog to a vet, as CorkPuller mentioned, if you are concerned. Whether or not it is related to the fish, a seizure could be a sign of something serious.

 

[Jstdv8]

I know my lab ate raw salmon once (actually twice) and we had to force feed it hydrogen peroxide to induce vomiting because it can kill them.
wouldnt be a stretch to say the tang got out on his own and got ate and saltwater bacteria messed up the dog.

 

[TampaReefer79]

LMAO I proved my point that well huh?

 

[LukFox]

I know my lab ate raw salmon once (actually twice) and we had to force feed it hydrogen peroxide to induce vomiting because it can kill them.
wouldnt be a stretch to say the tang got out on his own and got ate and saltwater bacteria messed up the dog.

Where did you hear that? Raw fish is fine to feed to dogs, and many people who feed a raw diet include it in the meals. Vitamin deficiency can occur if you feed a lot of fish that are high in thiaminase, but honestly it shouldn't be a problem if it isn't fed too often and you choose the right species. The same thing can happen in our fish predators who eat fish. From my own experience, I feed my dog raw fish about once a week. Never an issue, and she loves it. I don't think this dog had a problem because it ate a fish unless it is allergic to it in the first place. I'd get the dog to a vet.

 

[TripleT]

Seizure due to Tang or otherwise... go to the vet.

They will probably draw blood and make sure nothing serious is going on.

It will cost $$$, but the peace of mind is worth it, and he is your best friend!

 

[GhostCon1]

The only thing I could possibly otherwise think of is maybe the scalpel or some other bone got stuck in a vein/artery possibly blocking bloodflow/oxygen to the brain.

 

[Elysia]

Where did you hear that? Raw fish is fine to feed to dogs, and many people who feed a raw diet include it in the meals. Vitamin deficiency can occur if you feed a lot of fish that are high in thiaminase, but honestly it shouldn't be a problem if it isn't fed too often and you choose the right species. The same thing can happen in our fish predators who eat fish. From my own experience, I feed my dog raw fish about once a week. Never an issue, and she loves it. I don't think this dog had a problem because it ate a fish unless it is allergic to it in the first place. I'd get the dog to a vet.

LukFox, actually, there is some concern over raw native Pacific salmon in relation to it being fed to pets, including parasites. If I was at my PC rather than the laptop, I would pull up some links regarding this, but I can see why that course of action may have been suggested.

To the OP, I hope your dog is okay. Unfortunately, boxers as a breed can have some serious health problems, and seizures are always serious. I, too, suggest that you speak to your vet.

 

[sslak]

It has nothing to do with yellow tangs. Raw fish can be toxic to dogs.

http://www.entirelypets.com/toxicfoods.html

Raw Fish:
"Can result in a thiamine (a B vitamin) deficiency leading to loss of appetite, seizures, and in severe cases, death. More common if raw fish is fed regularly."

You're not supposed to feed raw fish to dogs...

 

[LukFox]

That's a vitamin deficiency and we don't even know if yellow tangs contain thiaminase. If they did I don't think it would develop over eating one little fish.

Elysia, I feed my dog sushi grade salmon fwiw so if it has parasites I do too. Otherwise, leaving the fish in the freezer for a few days or more should help kill parasites, which is what I do for my pet fish.

 

[Elysia]

Elysia, I feed my dog sushi grade salmon fwiw so if it has parasites I do too.

Luk -- you would only get the parasite if the parasite found you to be a suitable host. I am not sure if the fluke that causes Salmon Poisioning Disease (SPD) would; it has a snail-fish-canine (or other local carnivore) lifecycle.

But it is not something that can simply be dismissed. SPD culminates in death in up to 90% of untreated animals, and its only means of prevention is to prevent the ingestion of uncooked salmon, trout, steelhead, and other similar fish. Unless you are 100% sure of the source of that sushi, I wouldn't feed it to my dog.

Here is the information about this parasite. It is from the Merck Vet Manual, so it is not just some rant from some random person.

Again, to the OP, I hope your dog is okay. You can also use the Merck Manual to search for some of the health problems prevalent in boxers.

 

[LukFox]

Very interesting info, Elysia! Did a little extra research and it looks like freezing the salmon for at least 24 hours kills the parasite, so I can just do that for her. I've informed the family about this too so the dog should continue to be fine .

 

[fender4string]

Tangs might not be poisonous but they are toxic, at least for human consumption. Because of their diet a toxin builds up in their flesh. I think it may be called cytotoxin but I'm not 100% sure. It's in the Conscientious Marine Aquarist. Not sure if that means the dog could get sick from eating one as well.

 

[fender4string]

ciguatoxin not cytotoxin

 

[saix88]

There is a crap load of bacteria in saltwater along with on their scalpel...don't forget people there are always those warnings saying "NOT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION" pretty sure that can easily be applied to dogs...you use a lot of chemicals in your tanks and even if you don't there are a bunch collectors and distributors use on the fish before you even get them....one being CYANIDE!

 

[anbosu]

The amount of cyanide in a living fish wouldn't be toxic to a dog unless it was a giant barracuda and a chihuahua type situation.

 

[RealReef7]

I've eaten kole tangs in hawaii many times. Its very tasty if prepared right.

 

[CorkPullerPHL]

It's been two weeks since the OP....

How's the dog?

 

[Fishfirst]

Huh? You say tang venom is NOT a myth, but then say it's not venom at all...you say it's an allergy. Then you describe an experience of just that...an allergy. Which sounds an awful lot like something I've read lately. I just can't place where I read it...

:hmm5:




Exactly an allergy... induced by something which may include the fishes slime coat, which would make it a "venom." Its not a myth because it hasn't been disproven, that makes it a hypothisis... not a myth.