Donovan's Nitrate Destroyer

First year mark is closing since I started using this denitrator and I would like to share some pictures. I am so happy with the result. I have been adding SPS since October last year and latest are yesterday. So far all SPS are happy, very good PE and colors are getting better.
 

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More pictures
 

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A little bit more. Currently I have more than 50 frags/small colonies of sticks, montiporas, digitatas etc.
 

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My small sump of 10G (max level 5G), denitrator, cheapo Dymax LS10 and coffee strainer aka socks. Nothing changed. I built a better light with new DIY arduino controller and corals are growing much faster now. I am officially runs out of spaces. :frog:
 

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None at all. Occasionally I do have excess of bacteria in there, slowing down the effluent to almost trickling. I just stop dosing a day or two to clear it up. That was it. Usually my sun coral open up twice or thrice a day if a lot of bacteria being expelled as my skimmer only runs 9 hours daily.
 
None at all. Occasionally I do have excess of bacteria in there, slowing down the effluent to almost trickling. I just stop dosing a day or two to clear it up. That was it. Usually my sun coral open up twice or thrice a day if a lot of bacteria being expelled as my skimmer only runs 9 hours daily.
How much vodka do you currently dose?
 
Currently at 3ml. I mixed my own carbon source and extremely happy with the performance but vodka alone will work as well.
 
Hi djbon, all the way from Sabah Malaysia! So close to all those coral reefs! TBH djbon, nitrates are no longer a problem. in fact, we just have to use pumice stones (or matrix as seachem calls them) and siporax in sumps and it works just as fine. I'm having trouble keeping single digit nitrates in the tank. everything's going pale and no PE. you mentioned dosing phos. what ratio would you advise if I want to raise nitrates or if I had to dose nitrates and phosphates?
 
I don't specifically dose nitrate to bring up nitrate. I dose nitrate previously due to po4/no3 imbalance. Earlier stage using my denitrator no3 drops so fast causing po4 leaching out from live rocks. I have to compensate po4/no3 uptake as I was running fallow due to ich/velvet. I no longer dosing no3 as I have fishes. I do believe the usage of bio media in sump will do the job as well, but it is very hard to control as you don't have control over it. If you want to raise no3, my advise is to drip dosing as dumping straight to water column will increase algae risk. If I were you, increasing bioload such as more fishes to help out no3/po4 production is the best option rather than relying on dosing.
 
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I forgot to mentioned that I never purposely dose phosphate, only sodium nitrate a couple of times. I can't test po4 accurately, what I can say is mine are lower than 0.1ppm as per JBL test kit or less than 0.25 as per API. As long as there is traceable PO4 and less than 5ppm of NO3, I am happy with it. If you can accurately test PO4/NO3, than I will say 1:16 ratio is a good start.
 
I have been reading this thread and would like to comment.
I've been fighting nitrates and my attempts to date have not been highly successful.

djbon's apparatus differs from other denitrifying set ups like coil denitrators and the deltec NPF 509 in that he is running much larger volumes through the device.

Coil denitrators are typically run at a few drops per second (which is why they don't work- they don't turn over the volume fast enough to lower nitrates).

The Deltec NPF 509 instructions start by dosing carbon for three days without running the device, then starting at 1 drip per 3 seconds, then increase by 20% per few days. Eventually over weeks if not months, getting to turning over the tank ever 14-28 days.

Djbon starts his reactor immediately at a flow of ml/second vs drops per second.

The idea of the coil and deltec reactors is to create an anaerobic environment (in the coil case, by removing O2 in the coil and processing nitrogen in the chamber, and it the deltec, to circulate the water so that the whole chamber is anerobic.

I don' t think this can be happening in the djbon reactor. Flow is too high. Rather I think what is going on is that flow is slow enough that the distal portions are low in O2,

AND it is only inside the media that anaerobic conditions are taking place.

So, I think the key to understanding and reproducing djbon's success is understanding the media he is using. My guess would be that the only effective media in the reactor for nitrate reduction are the largest pieces that have a core that can be anaerobic.

I have not had success using small pieces of media in the reactor. I am thinking that large pieces of pumice and other porous subrates are key to this reactor working.
 
Hi there nematode.

I agree on the media sizes, that is the reason I used different sizes of media in my design (my first intention is for better flow). I never tested dissolved oxygen content on the effluent output, so I cannot positively answer your anerobic question. Theoretically anaerobic conditions should be in there (last portion of the second chamber) IF bacteria that is residing on earlier portion of the chambers has used up the oxygen when doing their business. I have installed quite a number of my denitrator and so far all are functioning well (except for one my largest unit not able to sustain flow due to high content of sludge in the water column @ clogging). The key to success is getting the right flow, correct bacteria composition (the reason why I suggest bacteria dosing) and of course having the right water parameter for bacteria to flourish. Some people might be having a hard time to get a large enough bacteria colony in there. UV sterilizer usage?. H202 dosing?. Maybe insufficient amount of certain element in the water column?. Competition among other nutrient exports?. Ozone?. I don't employ any other method and I am happy with the result i am getting. NO3 is stable at 3 - 5ppm, PO4 always register below 0.1ppm. The only thing left in this design is chamber sizing. Is it too big, or too small?. What is the correct amount of media in terms of capacity?. The relation between available nutrients that translate into bacteria population, bacteria die off and regeneration?. These has been lingering in my head ever since and I don't have the answer for my own questions :D
 
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I have been reading this thread and would like to comment.
I've been fighting nitrates and my attempts to date have not been highly successful.

djbon's apparatus differs from other denitrifying set ups like coil denitrators and the deltec NPF 509 in that he is running much larger volumes through the device.

Coil denitrators are typically run at a few drops per second (which is why they don't work- they don't turn over the volume fast enough to lower nitrates).

The Deltec NPF 509 instructions start by dosing carbon for three days without running the device, then starting at 1 drip per 3 seconds, then increase by 20% per few days. Eventually over weeks if not months, getting to turning over the tank ever 14-28 days.

Djbon starts his reactor immediately at a flow of ml/second vs drops per second.

The idea of the coil and deltec reactors is to create an anaerobic environment (in the coil case, by removing O2 in the coil and processing nitrogen in the chamber, and it the deltec, to circulate the water so that the whole chamber is anerobic.

I don' t think this can be happening in the djbon reactor. Flow is too high. Rather I think what is going on is that flow is slow enough that the distal portions are low in O2,

AND it is only inside the media that anaerobic conditions are taking place.

So, I think the key to understanding and reproducing djbon's success is understanding the media he is using. My guess would be that the only effective media in the reactor for nitrate reduction are the largest pieces that have a core that can be anaerobic.

I have not had success using small pieces of media in the reactor. I am thinking that large pieces of pumice and other porous subrates are key to this reactor working.

I had the same opinion as you do, and I was ready to fill the 3 last chambers of my 4 chamber denitrator with larger pumice pieces, untill I saw,that seachem for Denitrification, promote the smaller pieces they sell, under the name of denitrate! So I filled the last 2 , with smaller pieces of pumice...... Why do you thing seachem promote denitrate in low flow , instead of matrix, for Denitrification?

I don't have the impressive results of Don, so I can change the last 2 chambers, from small to large pieces of pumice, if I am sure that I can achieve better results, as far Denitrification.
 
Personally I would say seachem denitrate is the correct size to use. Matrix is recommended for ponds and higher flow. Denitrate recommended flow is far higher (200 liter per hour) than what I am running (currently at 7 liter per hour for a less than 5ppm no3). I am so surprised why it hardly work for some people?
 
I just have a few words with my latest denitrator user and his 3 footer lps tank is doing well. Previously his NO3 was at 25ppm with weekly WC, his denitrator matured after 2 weeks (MB7 seeded). Now he is maintaining 5-10ppm NO3, mostly zoas and mushrooms. He is no longer doing WC :)
 
I have no idea what is the optimal size. My point was that to get an apparatus to work like djbon it is probably very important to use the same media (if available).
I would presume that there is an outer core that stays aerobic, an inner layer that is just right, and a far inner layer that doesn't get colonized. The question is what is the optimal size and porous properties ? Furthermore, these properties presumably depends on flow (which will relate to 02 content).
 
Speaking about media, most of my denitrator contains ceramic ring, ceramic bio ball, crushed coral of different sizes and last portion about 5cm of seachem denitrate (2 layers sandwiched by crushed corals). Nothing special, all these are available off the shelf cheaply. I bought these from FW aquarium shop as they are selling much cheaper than SW shops. Any porous media should work. It could be the sizes, but most experienced reefer will tell you that anaerobic bacteria can be found only a few milimeter off the porous rocks, provided that the outer layer are slime coated by aerobic bacteria.
 
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