Ebay MH bulbs

I am not familiar with the pulseright bulb, but I know I bought some bulbs from "thelightingdudes" and they were 2 different colors, but said they were both 15k. So they sent me another, but it arrived broken. Then they sent me another, and a free bulb that was slightly used, but both arrived broken. The guy was rude, and dishonest, and stopped all communication. I eventually had to back charge the credit card. I am a huge fan of nice bulbs. I use phoenix or radiums, NOTHING else. It just makes all the difference in the world to have a nice colored bulb, that is known to have rediculously high par like the phoenix or radiums.

Here's the pic with 2 different colors:

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Downhill: the seller you are speaking of sounds like a different guy than who sells the plusrites. That said, it is always nice to hear who NOT to buy from on eBay. I will add my own opinion of the plusrite brand bulbs once I receive them this coming week.
 
I just ordered some DE 250 Watt 14K plusrites as well.

I'll post some pictures once they are installed.


I figured for $70ish (for 3 bulbs), it was worth a shot. If I don't like them I'll go with a phoenix 14k, and use these as back ups.
 
My order FINALLY arrived today :D - 8x175w 10,000K, 4x250w 10,000K. When I opened the box, I discovered that the bulbs are in fact Plusrite-brand bulbs. They were packaged well, and I didn't have any broken bulbs in my shipment. My one gripe with the packaging was that he didn't include an invoice, which I needed for processing the order through my university's stockroom. Fortunately, the invoice was available through the LSE webpage, so I just printed one out and unpacked my bulbs without further issue.

Unfortunately, changing out 12 bulbs took a whole lot longer than I was expecting, and I pretty much spent my whole day replacing them. I suppose it didn't help that I also (finally) received my long-awaited clean-up crew order :lol: , so I had to acclimate and divide-up those animals amongst the tanks, while I was also changing out the bulbs. Let's just say it was a very busy (but exciting) day. :)

I did eventually fire all the bulbs (they all successfully fired - no "duds") and took some PAR measurements on my Blueline M58 E-ballast pendants (250w) about an hour after firing. Based on these quickly-taken PAR readings, I'm definitely impressed with the output from these bulbs. From the readings I took, the PAR output is nearly twice as much (345-387 at the surface of the water, pendants raised 12" off the water's surface) as the previous bulbs. That's compared to the 8-month-old XM250 15,000K bulbs that I replaced, which only peaked at about 190 at the surface (pendants were also at the same height of 12").

Here are some of the things I noticed about the bulbs...

The Plusrites are definitely much brighter than the XM's I replaced; however, since I chose a lower kelvin bulb this time around, I was expecting at least a slight increase in brightness. One thing I quickly noticed after the initial firing was that the bulbs being run on magnetic ballasts burned noticeably bluer (not much, but it was definitely noticeable) than those running on the e-ballasts. The blue coloration on the magnetic ballasts still looked very nice, and as I mentioned the tint was only slight.

On the e-ballasts, the bulbs produced a very nice-looking, crisp-white color - no noticeable yellow or blue tinge, just a very pure white color. I'm not used to the whiter (or yellower? :lol: ) color quite yet (compared to the white-blue of the XM 15Ks), but it did look very nice vs. the possibility of an ugly yellow that I was half-expecting from these $25 bulbs.

I'll try to post photos along with more detailed PAR measurements within the next couple days, but I'm extremely busy this week with classwork - so I don't want to make any promises. So far, I'm extremely pleased, and I definitely want to share my results - if I can find the time to collect all the data and compile it all on here.

As for HOW LONG these bulbs will last (and more importantly, maintain their light output over time)... only TIME will tell. I will have to keep testing these bulbs regularly and I'll try to keep you updated on how they perform as they age. Though, as the saying goes (and I'm paraphrasing)... "The searing pain of poor quality remains long after the excitement of the 'deal' is forgotten." Hopefully that won't be the case. :)
 
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Could someone leave a vendors name here? I bought 2 bulbs and they turned out to be Artemis. They are horrible. One was bright green and the other is way too blue and dark(10000k).
Thanks
 
Thank you Jake. I do hope you will inform us as time goes on how the par rating fluctuates. I am impressed that the initial reading is higher than the name brand ones. WE shall see what happens
 
Could someone leave a vendors name here? I bought 2 bulbs and they turned out to be Artemis. They are horrible. One was bright green and the other is way too blue and dark(10000k).
Thanks

The vendor is Light Spectrum Enterprises, Inc. I ordered through http://www.lightspectrumstore.com. The owner, or at least I'm fairly sure he's the owner, is Arthur Altbregen. After I had issues ordering online, I emailed him and got a response within an hour. From the brief conversation I had with him, he seems like a pretty nice guy, and he seems to be willing to work with you if you have any issues. As reefcolors said, you can also order through Ebay via "trust_deals". I'm fairly sure that this is the same company, but it may not be.

Here is some additional contact info for LSE.

xJake, if you have time, I am interested in seeing the readings after a week or so of burn in.

I'm just as interested to see how these bulbs perform after they've been "broken in" :D . I will probably take weekly PAR readings for the first couple of months I run them, and then reduce the frequency to monthly or even bimonthly.

I should probably clarify, when I said that I had to "find the time," I was only referring to this week. Next week I don't have any exams or major assignments to worry about, so I'll definitely be able to post some of the data then.

Thanks for the nice write up Jake.

No problem. :)
Hopefully I'll have some visuals to go with that write up pretty soon...

Anybody Know how the 20K Plusrites compare color wise to the Radium 20K's?
I can't help you with these specific bulbs, as I've never seen either bulb.

All I can really say that would be of ANY help is that the 10000K Plusrite's I'm running look virtually identical to (if not better than) the other 10000K bulbs I was running - XM 10000K 175w, Blueline 10000K 175w, and IceCap 10000K 175w. I would assume that the 20K Plusrite bulbs also produce similar color rendition to that of most "brand-name" 20K bulbs, or at least a color rendition that is as equally pleasing.

Personally, I say for $25 why not just order one and fire it up to see if you like it? If you absolutely hate it then you can send it back (LSE has a "money back guarantee if not satisfied"), and if you DO end up liking it, then you basically just saved yourself $50 on a light bulb. At the very least, you could keep it as a "back-up bulb" in case yours burns out unexpectedly (not that having a back-up bulb is even remotely a necessity or anything... :lol: ).

Thank you Jake. I do hope you will inform us as time goes on how the par rating fluctuates. I am impressed that the initial reading is higher than the name brand ones. WE shall see what happens

You're welcome :D . I'll try to keep everyone updated when I can. I was surprised as well that the PAR values were so much higher. I was, at the very least, expecting some increase because I was moving from 15000K bulbs to 10000K bulbs.

From the data I've seen regarding kelvin rating vs. PAR values, it seems that the lower the kelvin rating, the more PAR a bulb puts out (in terms of "PAR per watt"). I don't specifically remember where I read it, but I do remember reading an article that discussed how electricity is, in-general, used more efficiently (in terms of the watts needed to produce the same amount of PAR but at different kelvin ratings) when it is used to produce light with a lower kelvin rating.

In actuality, a "blue" photon of light contains far more energy (PAR) than a "yellow" photon, however, in terms of ARTIFICIAL lighting, since it takes less electricity to produce the "yellow" photon, a bulb that is designed to produce a lower kelvin (yellower) light actually produces many more yellow photons than it would blue (if it were to use the same amount of electricity). Of course, then you also have to take into account the coral's ability to manipulate light to use it more efficiently (via their fluorescent pigment-proteins), but that's a-whole-nother can of worms.... :lol:

Basically, before I begin to ramble, I was already expecting some kind of increase in PAR from the previous bulbs solely due to the decrease in kelvin rating from 15000K to 10000K; however, the PAR increase I observed ended up surpassing my expectations.

Anyway, I should hopefully have a chunk of free time tomorrow, so I will try to create a PAR diagram similar to what Marc Levenson (melev) has done here: http://www.melevsreef.com/pics/08/03/par_0322_new_bulbs.jpg


Also, an interesting side-note that I thought I would share. I was comparing the Plusrite bulbs to the bulbs that I replaced (the actual, physical bulbs themselves - not the light they produce). Surprisingly, unlike every other brand of bulb I compared, the Blueline bulbs look virtually identical - right down to the odd shape of the electrical contact at the threaded end of the bulb(s). The only major difference seemed to be the identifying text printed on the bulb itself; the shapes and sizes of all the components seemed to match up almost too perfectly to be coincidence. So, I'm starting to suspect that either Blueline brand bulbs are repackaged/re-branded Plusrite bulbs, or at the very least, both bulbs originated from the same manufacturer.

Or perhaps it's just a fairly typical design of MH bulb and I'm being paranoid :D.
 
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Thanks Jake. Sounds like you have an awesome major. Are you finishing your BS, masters, or what? Getting my bulbs in the mail today. Can't wait to fire them up in my new DIY lumenarcs :D
Now if I could just find some inexpensive T5 bulbs >.>
 
I only had time to get PAR readings on one of the tanks. Also, I think my meter may be malfunctioning, because it seems to be reading too low for everything - including direct sunlight. I emailed the company, so I guess we'll see. I still took readings, but they may or may not be completely accurate.

All my corals look really brown in the photos, but they have good color in real life. I'm not sure why that is.

Anyway, here are some photos...

2x250w 10,000K - Blueline E-ballasts. The right side seems to have higher readings, but I'm assuming it's because the water surface is pretty still when compared to the left side.
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1x250w 10,000K - Blueline E-ballast
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1x175w 10,000K - Unknown magnetic ballast
Here's the slight blue tint I was talking about...
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2x175w 10,000K - Unknown magnetic ballasts
Left side is a magnetic ballast with a reflector, right side is a magnetic ballast with no reflector (the inside of the pendant is painted white)...
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This is what I saw when I first fired the bulbs. It made me cringe, but the color eventually changed as the bulb warmed up (as you can see on the right).
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Enjoy! :D

Thanks Jake. Sounds like you have an awesome major. Are you finishing your BS, masters, or what? Getting my bulbs in the mail today. Can't wait to fire them up in my new DIY lumenarcs :D
Now if I could just find some inexpensive T5 bulbs >.>

Yep, I enjoy it quite a bit. I'm finishing my BS; I'm only a sophomore. Luckily I got involved with the marine lab right away, and now I'm doing research with corals, which is why I have a PAR meter.
 
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I just purchased some 20K SE's to replace my Reeflux 12K SE's.

Should look nicer than the 12k's, one is a little whiter than my old Phoenix 14k's and the other has a lot more yellow.:(
 
Well, glad to see the bunch of you are finally coming over to the dark side. I wasn't full of dooky after all. :)

LSE = trust_deals so either way you are buying from the same source. There used to be a price difference between eBay (I saved $5 per bulb with eBay "Buy it Now") and direct so I would check both.

Nice write-up Jake. Glad to see your results were so good to start with.
 
Well, glad to see the bunch of you are finally coming over to the dark side. I wasn't full of dooky after all. :)

LSE = trust_deals so either way you are buying from the same source. There used to be a price difference between eBay (I saved $5 per bulb with eBay "Buy it Now") and direct so I would check both.

Nice write-up Jake. Glad to see your results were so good to start with.

There still is a price diff. Also make sure you guys are not doing the buy it now with free shipping, but rather the buy it now with $7 shipping. 2 bulbs with free shipping totals $48 while 2 bulbs with $7 shipping totals $47 so you save an extra buck. :)
 
Though they are not as exciting as Jake, I took the liberty of taking some pics to show how well these babies came packaged up, as well as a shot of the bulb itself. First impressions, as said before, at least about the company, is that they care about the products they ship out!

Sorry if the pics are a bit fuzzy. No tripod or anything heh.

The box as it came from USPS (Note the LSE logo even though I bought from "trust_deals" on eBay:
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Opening the box:
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Packaging of each individual bulb:
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Bulb close-up to see brand and color temp:
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