Eel Identification with pic? Help me out here

[rendogg]

Hmm, interesting perspectives freddy4130. I see you're "back to school",BTW, what grade would you be in to have developed such wise perspectives?

 

[rendogg]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14748089#post14748089 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Littleg182
Yes, they are quick diggers, tail first very kool indeed! And it's a good thing I haven't tried the whole eating of them thing Dangerous: reports of ciguatera poisoning

Oh darn, I thought BS, erichatesmice, and yourself were going to fry them up and eat them.... too bad.

 

[DaytonaJoe]

This has to be one of the most entertaining threads ever, between the guy with the fishing avatar lecturing everyone that wild collection is wrong and the suggestion that we go give each other massages. But to top it all off, the eels turn out to be an invasive species not native to Florida! hahahaha

 

[freddy4130]

I'm more worried about invasive posters, not native to this thread.

 

[jbird69]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14754118#post14754118 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by DaytonaJoe
This has to be one of the most entertaining threads ever, between the guy with the fishing avatar lecturing everyone that wild collection is wrong and the suggestion that we go give each other massages. But to top it all off, the eels turn out to be an invasive species not native to Florida! hahahaha

What you dont know about my avatar is I now how that fish living in my nano cube, so I can catch him whenever I want!

So, by the way, how are your eels doing today??

 

[rendogg]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14754118#post14754118 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by DaytonaJoe
This has to be one of the most entertaining threads ever, between the guy with the fishing avatar lecturing everyone that wild collection is wrong and the suggestion that we go give each other massages. But to top it all off, the eels turn out to be an invasive species not native to Florida! hahahaha

Yes, entertaining indeed! I am assuming your opinion is similar to the OP's because you added yourself to the massage party.:lol: I tend to throw comedy into my statements for a little more impact. I hope people can laugh at the jokes but still take the message seriously. I know there are people who collect and understand and respect what they have taken. This thread is an example of how some "fish loving" hobbyists aren't really that at all, instead they are greedy and disrespectful of nature, thinking it's there for them to exploit. The funny thing is, the eels are still unidentified and they probably are native.... oh, wait a minute, that's not funny after all.

 

[DaytonaJoe]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14754444#post14754444 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jbird69
What you dont know about my avatar is I now how that fish living in my nano cube, so I can catch him whenever I want!

So, by the way, how are your eels doing today??

Not to derail the thread, but I am active on other reef forums. Take a look around for this name I just joined up here to expand on my resources

 

[freddy4130]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14754703#post14754703 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by rendogg
Yes, entertaining indeed! I am assuming your opinion is similar to the OP's because you added yourself to the massage party.:lol: I tend to throw comedy into my statements for a little more impact. I hope people can laugh at the jokes but still take the message seriously. I know there are people who collect and understand and respect what they have taken. This thread is an example of how some "fish loving" hobbyists aren't really that at all, instead they are greedy and disrespectful of nature, thinking it's there for them to exploit. The funny thing is, the eels are still unidentified and they probably are native.... oh, wait a minute, that's not funny after all.

I think you misunderstood. It's not your posts that are funny. It's funny that you post at all.

 

[BS]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14747325#post14747325 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by rendogg
I'm assuming you guys got together, massaged each other,

You've mistaken me for someone from B.C.

 

[Aquabucket]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14754703#post14754703 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by rendogg
This thread is an example of how some "fish loving" hobbyists aren't really that at all, instead they are greedy and disrespectful of nature, thinking it's there for them to exploit. The funny thing is, the eels are still unidentified and they probably are native.... oh, wait a minute, that's not funny after all.

I think its more about a few self righteous hypocrites getting all worked up about a bunch of chum/bait collected by an aquarist.

If the original poster really wants to know more about the sand eels he collected I suggest he e-mail the Florida Fish and Wild Life with some pictures and info on where and how they were collected. This way if they are invasive they can go back to that area and eradicate as many as possible. BTW if you come across non-native species when collecting you are obligated to euthanize them.

 

[heap]

just isn't much room for nuance in a convo like this, is there?

you're either imbued by the almighty to club whatever you want over the head and put it in a box in your house, or you're a peta freak ZOMGS enviroloon hypocrite fish-hugger.

 

[elegance coral]

I can't believe this thread. People buy their fish from a pet store so that's somehow better than this guy picking up a few eels at the beach? We know the process that fish go through to get here from the other side of the planet. How can that be better than picking up a few eels? No chemicals, explosives, or any other destructive technique used. No airplane rides, no being packed into tiny air tight boxes for hours on end, no drastic temperature or air pressure changes, no rough handling from baggage workers, no exposure to poor water conditions. Just a short little car ride home.

The eels looked perfectly healthy to me. How many fish in the typical LFS look that healthy?

We know what species they are. It isn't even arguable at this point.

 

[Aquabucket]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14755387#post14755387 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by heap
just isn't much room for nuance in a convo like this, is there?

you're either imbued by the almighty to club whatever you want over the head and put it in a box in your house, or you're a peta freak ZOMGS enviroloon hypocrite fish-hugger.

That was another poor analogy my friend. The original poster never clubbed anything and as far as I know he collected the animals in a caring manner.

At least I contributed to the OPs request for an I.D. Many others just felt the need to derail the thread. Right now there seems to be a question as whether they are native or non-native species. I collected quite a bit of things in Florida and unfortunately came across large numbers of invasive species.

 

[heap]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14755476#post14755476 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Aquabucket
That was another poor analogy my friend.

was attempting to poke fun at both extremes, if ya didn't notice.

i don't think anybody is clubbing things over the head, nor do i think expressing reservations about the situation is akin to being a fish hugging enviroloon.

it just seems like folks approach each other as if it were the case. again, not much room for nuance.

 

[freddy4130]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14755447#post14755447 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by elegance coral
I can't believe this thread. People buy their fish from a pet store so that's somehow better than this guy picking up a few eels at the beach? We know the process that fish go through to get here from the other side of the planet. How can that be better than picking up a few eels? No chemicals, explosives, or any other destructive technique used. No airplane rides, no being packed into tiny air tight boxes for hours on end, no drastic temperature or air pressure changes, no rough handling from baggage workers, no exposure to poor water conditions. Just a short little car ride home.

The eels looked perfectly healthy to me. How many fish in the typical LFS look that healthy?

We know what species they are. It isn't even arguable at this point.

Do you have any idea what goes into making the plasic bucket in which he "collected" these eels? He should be thrown in jail for having used such Eco-unfriendly tools.

 

[Aquabucket]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14755489#post14755489 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by heap
was attempting to poke fun at both extremes, if ya didn't notice.

i don't think anybody is clubbing things over the head, nor do i think expressing reservations about the situation is akin to being a fish hugging enviroloon.

it just seems like folks approach each other as if it were the case. again, not much room for nuance.

Got it! So which are you? A clubber or a hypocrite hugger?

 

[freddy4130]

lol! Aquabucket, you're cool. Your tank is sweet. I would have never pegged you for one to call out the huggers in a thread. I love it.

 

[rendogg]

Somehow i've found myself in a battle I didn't want to fight but felt obligated to. The OP's haste in collection, defensive/self-entitled responses to people questioning him, and lack of knowledge of the animals collected, prompted me to respond. The responses that ensued, only after minor questioning, were antagonistic and narrow minded. It got a little heated and some feathers were ruffled. I am by no means a fanatic/hypocrite. I am, however, a lover of life and nature. I fly fish and I may even take one home now and then, I have several aquariums with many fish and inverts that came from the wild, I even wanted to, and sometimes did, collect all sorts of life when I was young because of their beauty and fascinating habits. I have learned a lot, still not enough, over the years in the hobby and outside of the hobby. My experiences have taught me the value of life, not just my life but, the lives of all organisms. This is the message that I want to convey:

I'm not saying everyone who collects something here and there is a bad person. I am saying that there needs to be accountability when collecting, not only on a commercial scale but on a private scale as well. We, as hobbyists, need to be ambassadors of our hobby, having an aquarium with life in it is a privilege not a right. If we don't start acting like ambassadors and keep raping the beaches and water, we may lose our privilege. And that will be the fault of irresponsible practices, both commercial and private. The hobby is shifting towards cultured coral, tank bred fish, even cultured live rock. We need to keep progressing not regressing. Why revert back to and support old archaic ways that are unsustainable? Are you part of the problem or part of the solution? [/B][/QUOTE]

 

[freddy4130]

I support the OP. If that makes me part of the problem in rendogg's land, then I'll take it.

 

[Aquabucket]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14755665#post14755665 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by freddy4130
lol! Aquabucket, you're cool. Your tank is sweet. I would have never pegged you for one to call out the huggers in a thread. I love it.

I am here on this forum to just try and help out for the most part and am not here to judge anyone.

On another note ~ if they die in his tank they will make a good non-chemical fertilizer.