Emerald Crab DEAD!!!
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onecrzyboi4u
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could u list params please. How long did u acclimate? How did u acclimate?
Yeah our store isn't bad with fish/invert prices. I just wish the $5 Crab actually lived though. I'd pay $12 if it would mean he would live. Ha.
Yes, I do need a carcass to bring back in, but the nass can't/didn't eat the whole shell.
Nitrates are 0 because I maintain/care for my tank. Plus it's rather established with a 5 inch sand bad. Not surprising. Ha.
Yes, I do need a carcass to bring back in, but the nass can't/didn't eat the whole shell.
Nitrates are 0 because I maintain/care for my tank. Plus it's rather established with a 5 inch sand bad. Not surprising. Ha.
mope54
In Memoriam
lol, I maintain/care for my tank, too.
I just wondered what you used to export your nitrates...but if your 5 inch sandbed does it that's nice...
...or your test kit is old...
...or you just have that one fish...
*I wasn't surprised, just curious because you don't have a skimmer and are only using .5lb/gal of LR*
I just wondered what you used to export your nitrates...but if your 5 inch sandbed does it that's nice...
...or your test kit is old...
...or you just have that one fish...
*I wasn't surprised, just curious because you don't have a skimmer and are only using .5lb/gal of LR*
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I agree with mope, you will never zero nitrates, that is impossible. No matter what system you employ, chemically the nitrates will not completely convert to N2 as the series of organic decomposition reactions are not perfect will fluctuate between favoring reactants and products. From non-chemisty perspective, those test kits are very unaccurate, using color to tell differences is IMO a bad way to test the concentration of something that exists in the ppm range.
On a personal note cockfield, that was a very condescending, unfriendly tone. Not welcomed by anyone here.
On a personal note cockfield, that was a very condescending, unfriendly tone. Not welcomed by anyone here.
You need to drip until the salinity in the bag and the tank is matched. It could take up to 2 hrs depending on how far apart the salinitys are. The crab was not acclimated properly and died of the inbalance in their body. Just a FYI in the future. Inverts are more sensitive to this kind of thing.
The seizure right after you put it into the tank is when the invert is in complete shock from inadequate acclimation.
The seizure right after you put it into the tank is when the invert is in complete shock from inadequate acclimation.
mope54
In Memoriam
Jimbo,
I usually just toss crabs and snails in my tank...if they're adversely affected, will they die right away or could they last a few days and then slowly die off?
Is there a formula or general rule of thumb for how long a drip should last relative to the delta between the salinity in the bag and the tank?
If improper acclimation could account for a few snail deaths a few days and up to a week later, I'll drip em for a few hours...but I'm mostly curious before I bring my shark home since I was told by one of the employees that their shark tank salinity is super low and I use NSW (with pretty high salinity).
I usually just toss crabs and snails in my tank...if they're adversely affected, will they die right away or could they last a few days and then slowly die off?
Is there a formula or general rule of thumb for how long a drip should last relative to the delta between the salinity in the bag and the tank?
If improper acclimation could account for a few snail deaths a few days and up to a week later, I'll drip em for a few hours...but I'm mostly curious before I bring my shark home since I was told by one of the employees that their shark tank salinity is super low and I use NSW (with pretty high salinity).
You should drip until the salinity are the same. Then once they are matching, allow another 15 - 30 minutes for the fish to adjust to the salinity. Inverts and snails are especially sensitive to this as described by Dr. Ron in one of the previous monthly reefkeeping volumes. I think he goes into detail why the salinity imbalance will kill the invert.
Now whether at what level salinity is good for the fish is another subject.
But yes, it will die quite rapidly if the difference in salinity is large. It will basically lock up and look like it is going into seizure. Usually, after 15 minutes, it will die. If the salinity is close, then it depend on the animal if it will survive, some are hardier than others. But it is not difficult to use a hydrometer or refractometer to match the water in the tank and bag to check it out before one releases an animal/coral into the tank. And it will save you a ton of $$$ and save the animal, and cost you a few more minutes to do.
Proper acclimation is one of the most important thing to do when getting a new animal.
As for the shark, you need to find out which salinity is preferred by the shark, and you will take longer to acclimate, but if you use the drip method, it's no big deal, just takes more time. Good luck on the shark.
Now whether at what level salinity is good for the fish is another subject.
But yes, it will die quite rapidly if the difference in salinity is large. It will basically lock up and look like it is going into seizure. Usually, after 15 minutes, it will die. If the salinity is close, then it depend on the animal if it will survive, some are hardier than others. But it is not difficult to use a hydrometer or refractometer to match the water in the tank and bag to check it out before one releases an animal/coral into the tank. And it will save you a ton of $$$ and save the animal, and cost you a few more minutes to do.
Proper acclimation is one of the most important thing to do when getting a new animal.
As for the shark, you need to find out which salinity is preferred by the shark, and you will take longer to acclimate, but if you use the drip method, it's no big deal, just takes more time. Good luck on the shark.
DouglasTiede
Premium Member
wasn't offended here 
My 3 tanks and my wife's test at zero too
My 3 tanks and my wife's test at zero too<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10078583#post10078583 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by DouglasTiede
wasn't offended here
Pretty sure it's not impossible....but I can understand where he is coming from. Look at all the Tanks of the Months' Specs.....they usually say UNDETECTABLE! Oh well...
Peter Eichler
New member
Don't sweat it man. Anyone that thinks they can tell the tone of something on an internet is fooling themselves.
Is it just me or are there a lot of people on this forum that need to lighten up a little?
As for the crab, it could very well be PH, dKH, or SG related, perhaps a combo of all 3. Crustaceans should be acclimated just like a fish would since they can react adversely to changes in the 3 parameters listed above.
