dadonoflaw
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i am trying to decide between asm g4+ and the euroreef rs 180 for my 125 gal tank want to know opinions of both skimmers. especially the euroreef as i am leaning in that direction. still in the air though
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Jim_S
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The RS180 uses a much more powerful pump then the ASM or RO. And the build quality is also better. Look at the ASM and RO threads for unmodded airdraw numbers to body size and you'll find the ER wins hands down.
Unmodded, and out of the box, the ER is a much better skimmer then both.
Cheers,
Jim
Unmodded, and out of the box, the ER is a much better skimmer then both.
Cheers,
Jim
dadonoflaw
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that is what one of the merchants in my local reef club was saying. i was trying to see which is kinda strang because the asm skimmer is rated for a tank twice the size of the ER but everyone says the ER pulls more air and does a better job. so i guess with this new price point ER can get those customers who cant pay 800-1000 for ER recirc and deltec. i believe i will get the ER. thanx guys
dadonoflaw
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i see you know of johnny as well. yes he recommended the ER. hey are there any mods for the rs series of the ER? i know asm has all of the mods to make it more efficient and i wanted to know if these options are available and if so are they worth implementing
dadonoflaw
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also sjm are you on wamas?
kdblove_99
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All what Mods? They have the Gate Valve and Recirc, Are there more?
Euroreef definetly has the gate valve mod and would think you could do the Recirc also. But not 100%.
Jim, Knows alot obout the ER's and is very helpful.
I have a RS 180, no mods and i love it.
I was also thinkinbg about getting the ASM G4+. But went the ER way. The price isnt that diffrent. since you get a well built unit and a more powerful as stated above
Euroreef definetly has the gate valve mod and would think you could do the Recirc also. But not 100%.
Jim, Knows alot obout the ER's and is very helpful.
I have a RS 180, no mods and i love it.
I was also thinkinbg about getting the ASM G4+. But went the ER way. The price isnt that diffrent. since you get a well built unit and a more powerful as stated above
dadonoflaw
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kb what are the inhabitants of your tank and additional filtration info if you dont mind
phishlet
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I am not real pleased with my RS 8-2. It produces no more than half a cup of skimmate (not very dark either) every week to 1.5 weeks. This is on a 125 with 14 fish and loaded with coral. I.E. high bio load. The arm that connects to the skimmer with the rise tube actually disconnected from the skimmer body. They whole heat seal separated!
I have a Top Fathom TF 100a (very old school skimmer from 10 years ago or so) on a 46 bowfront that skims more than the Euroreef.
I have the upgraded pump that I purchased for an extra $300 from Euroreef and have had scores of email exchanges back and forth with Euroreef to try and make the thing work better. They finally sent me the parts to make the gate valve modification for free just because they felt bad.
So, needless to say, my Euroreef will likely be listed on ebay soon. I'm not real impressed.
I have a Top Fathom TF 100a (very old school skimmer from 10 years ago or so) on a 46 bowfront that skims more than the Euroreef.
I have the upgraded pump that I purchased for an extra $300 from Euroreef and have had scores of email exchanges back and forth with Euroreef to try and make the thing work better. They finally sent me the parts to make the gate valve modification for free just because they felt bad.
So, needless to say, my Euroreef will likely be listed on ebay soon. I'm not real impressed.
dadonoflaw
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so if the top fathom was working so well why did you get the ER if you dont mind me asking. currently i have a coralife superskimmer 220 so im sure ER can do better than that
phishlet
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Like I said, I'm running the Top Fathom on a 46 bowfront. I needed a skimmer for my 125 so I went with a Euroreef because of all the hype. But in my experience, Euroreefs are just that... hype. The dealer I purchased my RS through has since stopped carrying the Euroreef line due to too many complaints of poor performance. They also ran Euroreefs on all of their show tanks and retail tanks. They have since removed the Euroreefs from all of their tanks.
I spent $450 on the skimmer with pump. When the thing didn't pull even 1/4 of a cup of skimmate in over two weeks on a very heavily stocked reef I contacted Euroreef. They tried to tell me that I wasn't controlling the skimmer right and for the next 3 months I exchanged multiple emails, sent multiple digital photos, and had multiple phone calls with ER techs to try and "help" me get the thing doing something. Finally the techs concluded that I must have a bad pump but they would not send me another pump until I paid to ship the old one (only three months old) back and pay to have a new one shipped to me. They also wanted to put a hold on my credit card for twice the value of the replacement pump (I.E. $600!) That's insane. The other offer was to "replace" my original pump with their newer larger pump for "just $300" more which would guarantee better performance. Obviously I took the newer, larger, "better" pump for the $300. So then I had $400 into the skimmer and original pump plus $300 for the new pump. That's $700 for an RS8-2. And I had to drill the skimmer on my own to replace the hole with a hold further up to accomodate the newer larger pump according to their specs.
Of course, no performance increase at all. Nothing. I called right back and was told that my water quality chemistry must be off. Huh? I've been reefing for 12 years. I know how to maintain water quality and what to look for. They told me that I must not be feeding enough to not require much of the skimmer. With 14 fish, there should be plenty of waste don't you think?
Anyway, to make a long story short they can't figure it out. They told me I must be doing something wrong. They sent a gate valve mod kit just becuase they felt bad. That's done nothing at all other than made the skimmate even more watery.
dadonoflaw
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thanks for sharing your experience and for clearing that up. i forgot that you saif the TF was on the other tank. sometimes as hobbyists we get caught up with brands that are usually reliable because when you find something that works you are reluctant to bother it. you have given me something to consider. you said the store you visit had euroreefs and that they recently replaced them after several complaints. what were their results before that? did you see the skimmer in action before you purchased it. i am going to the local store so that i can see it in action and also because i can return it if i am unsatisfied. i would like to think that the 500 dollar ER would work better than a 200 dollar coralife.
AquaKnight
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phishlet, what is your store carrying/using now?
Euro-Reef used to have a forum here on RC, they ER closed it because too many customers complained about the skimmers performance and cust. service. Ex-Euro-Reef user (still have it but can't convince myself to sell it to someone else). If you search RC you will see ER is constantly changeing design/pumps to make it work better, why, progress or they just haven't got it together yet?
dadonoflaw
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wow i did not hear that about ER. all the comments i heard was that it is comparable to deltec. i am looking at the h&s 150-f2001 because i am concerned about the cheap nature of there so called quality meets performance model.
phishlet
Premium Member
The store is trying a bunch of the higher end AquaMedic skimmer products on some of the tanks. What is so frustrating is that for $350 more than I have into my skimmer right now the store purchased (wholesale) a 6 ft. tall commercial grade Aquamedic Skimmer powered by two very large Ocean Runner pumps. Talk about reaction chamber time! The thing absolutely stomps on the big Euroreef they had before for right about the same price! I believe they are going to look at Deltec for a couple of the other tanks.
The bottom line for me is this. Euroreefs skim, just not well (or notably much better than other even cheaper alternatives) and the performance is certainly over hyped. I am not impressed with the quality of the RS series either. As I said, the riser tube arm separated from the skimmer body which is heat welded. No uniseals or other suppor materials used at all.
I just went down to check on my skimmer to see how full the cup is. I've been feeding all 14 fish twice a day and its been well over a week since I've emptied the skimmer cup. It's around half full right now and not very dark. Oh well.
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