Everything id Dying. I think my new tank has Ich???

Sorry to hear of your problems. I completly nuked my first tank twice, killed every creature in it both times. Since then I have joined COMAS and have had alot of support in answering the questions I have had. This hobby would not be so rewarding if it came easy. Keep your spirits up, and keep asking questions. Tons of helpful and very great people here ready and willing to help you out!
 
thanks to all that responded and gave me advice. I really needed it. I'm not going to add anything else to my tank until after the comas meeting. It will be a good topic for me as well. I think ill start out by adding some hardy corals and try that out for awhile before doing anything else. My snails and shrimp are doing good and i hope they stay that way!
 
Hospital tank set-up now!!!

Hospital tank set-up now!!!

:confused:When I added a few new pieces of live rock to my display I thought nothing of it . Wham hit with a new cycle all over again and ICK . Your tank is way to young to add an anenome . You must wait atleast 6 months to a year before thinking about adding such a delicatly awesome addition. Even experienced reefers lose anenomes , they need pristine water conditions and I would suggest a bubble-tip to learn on . These are the most forgiving and easiest anenomes to raise..... You also need a seeded sponge filter that has been in the display for atleast 2 months to establish your hospital tank. Or an extra colonized hang on filter with ceramic media. If not you have to test water in Quarrantine tank daily and do massive water changes. Good Luck and be patient!!!!!!!
 
well i got home just now and my clown in the qt tank was dead. i was not suprised by this. but in my 55gal my pepermint shrimp is dead. i removed it and tested my water.
here are the results:
Amonia 0-0.5 i never can be sure on the color of this test
nitrate 20ppm
nitrite 0.5
alkilinity 300
ph 7.8
calcium 460
phosphate 1.0
kh 13dkh or 232.7ppm

okay this is the most out of wack levels i have ever tested. i want to wait to do a water change until someone replies on if i should do the regular 10-20% or should i do a bigger water change. Should i go buy that product stability or anything else to add. All that is living in this tank now are a few snails and a coral banded shrimp
 
looks like it was still in a cycle. your params will go up and then back down till they stabalize here is what I shoot for.

Amonia 0
nitrate 0
nitrite 0
KH 8-9
calcium 450-460
phosphate 0
ph 8-8.3
mag 1350

your alk is a little high, ph a little low the rest looks like a cycle. the tap water likely put your phos outa whack. do you run a sump/ refuge? some macro algea will help on phos. a water change would be good using good rodi water to start, do you mix your salt water or buy it local? either is fine. I prefer to mix as most due to the fact you know what your putting in your tank. all good advice above just keep doing your water changes and test daily till you get it stable, then put some live critters in. I learn things about this hobby dailly, keep asking questions and browse all the forums. Good Luck!
 
falon, I just literally went through all this with my 75g I setup and lost quite a bit. I did keep up with stability and whenever I had anything measured I used some prime to lock it up, but it really just needs to stay fishless for awhile. Your inverts should be ok and make it through those lower levels, my snails, hermits, RBTA and serpent star had no issues with .5 ammonia and .5 nitrite as long as I was keeping it locked up in a mostly non toxic form (that's what prime does)
 
falon, I just literally went through all this with my 75g I setup and lost quite a bit. I did keep up with stability and whenever I had anything measured I used some prime to lock it up, but it really just needs to stay fishless for awhile. Your inverts should be ok and make it through those lower levels, my snails, hermits, RBTA and serpent star had no issues with .5 ammonia and .5 nitrite as long as I was keeping it locked up in a mostly non toxic form (that's what prime does)

so how exactly do you use the stability and prime. when your do your water changes you add both stability and prime at the same time?
 
Now that you have no livestock, I would stop doing water changes until your tank levels out on its own. Each time you do a water change you inhibit the growth of good bacteria by depriving it of a food source. It was necessary when you had livestock because the ammonia is harmful to fish and inverts but now, I would just let it be for a couple of weeks. Your snails will most likely survive this. They are troopers. You can start doing routine water changes when you no longer have ammonia or nitrites. And in the future, cure all live rock in a rubbermade container with saltwater, a heater, and a circulation pump. As a rule of thumb, if the rock smells like anything but clean ocean, it is dying. I never add more than 10lbs of rock to my tank at a time if I havent personally cured it (even if the store swears it is cured). It doesnt take much decaying matter on a rock to trip a tank back into cycling. Especially a tank as new as yours.
 
I can't speak to the additives as I have never used them in salt water.

The water changes should be held to 10% every other week at most while your tank is without critters.
 
o and add the directed amount of prime to the water you are adding to your tank and you can follow the directions on the stability. I believe you add a specified amount to the tank every day for seven days and then routinely every week or two. I stopped adding it after the bottle ran out. Dont believe what the bottle says about being able to add livestock at anytime though. Wait until your tank maintains consistantly safe levels (ie no ammonia and no nitrite for at least a week or two)
 
My advice, do not use any additives at all until you know what you are doing.

Prime masks an issue, that being ammonia. It is akin to making your dog wear a gas mask because there is carbon dioxide in the dog house. It is much better to not have the problem (ammonia) than try and deal with it.

The rules are:

Always use RoDi Water for all additions.
Make saltwater up the day before use and circulate it well prior to use.
Match saltwater temp and SG to the tank.

Always top up the tank to a known level before you do a water change. This will prevent you slowly increasing the salt levels.

Do regular water changes.

The less filters you have, the more water changes are required. (filters- REAL live rock, not limestone rock or other non-reef derived rock, protein skimmer, deep sand bed, algal scrubber, etc...)

Once your tank has cycled, begin to concentrate on Alk, Cal and Mag.

I recommend salifert test kits.

Once you can do a test, the rest is easy.

Test FIRST for Magnesium.
Supplement the tank as appropriate to brig the Mag to 1330-1350 ppm.
I use Epsom Salts. Magnesium Sulphate.

Let the tank circulate for several hours and then Test for Alk.
Alk should be about 9dKH.
Supplement as appropriate with Baking Soda.

Let circulate for several hours.

Test For Calcium, should be about 450ppm.
Supplement with your choice of additive.
I use Dow Flake which is a road de-icer made of Calcium Chloride.

Test every week the day after doing a water change.

And thats about it.

pH is a natural function of the chemicals in the water. If your pH is off, its due to an environmental issue and should be corrected by finding the problem, not adding an additive.

pH is affected by lack of water flow, lack of surface flow, decaying matter, gunk on filters, algae around the tank top, algae exposed in the back of athe tank as water levels fluctuate. Lack of good air in the room.

Go through these and see what happens to the pH over a day or so.

To see if this is an issue, take some tank water and look at pH. Place in a large container and shake it well, reread pH. if it vaies then something is affecting the water.

ALWAYS try to deal with what is causing a problem than masking...unless you like the look of gasmasks.

--- A lot to digest, but these simple tips will get you going and keep you there.
I have set up dozens of tanks and this is the approach I always use.

At the March meeting we will begin a seminar series to teach basic water chemistry and parameters.

Ed Brookshire will speak for 30 mins on why you need to use RoDi water for all additions.
After that I will speak on basic water chmeistry, testing, using the simple supplements I listed and how to calculate what you need.

April we will endeavor to look deeper at filtration and water flow.

Regards,

Paul.
 
so how exactly do you use the stability and prime. when your do your water changes you add both stability and prime at the same time?

I did 1 capful per 20gallons of volume every day of the stability for about 2 weeks straight. (They say 1 week but I wanted to be sure).

I did 1 capful for every 50 gallons of water every other day for the prime to keep the ammonia/nitrite locked up.

If you look into your test kit, you may be able to figure out if it's measuring total ammonia or just free ammonia. If you have a kit that only measures free ammonia, you can add a bit of prime until that level goes to 0. Regardless of what some people think, prime in no way shape or form removes ammonia/nitrites from the water, but it does convert ammonia into ammonium which is far less toxic to your fish, and it does something with nitrite too but I'm too tired and stupid to remember what it is. If your nitrite is reading higher then ammonia you can actually double the dose of prime and it should be ok. I didn't lose a single coral or invert during this process in my tank.

I did absolutely 0 water changes until parameters fell back in line, though I did check my nitrates, cal and alk regularly to make sure they were ok with the corals in the tank. The stability is bacteria in spore form, generally not embedded into your rock/sand/filtration system yet. Any water change is simply removing bacteria which is still free floating in the tank helping towards your cycle.
 
My advice, do not use any additives at all until you know what you are doing.

Prime masks an issue, that being ammonia. It is akin to making your dog wear a gas mask because there is carbon dioxide in the dog house. It is much better to not have the problem (ammonia) than try and deal with it.

The rules are:

Always use RoDi Water for all additions.
Make saltwater up the day before use and circulate it well prior to use.
Match saltwater temp and SG to the tank.

Always top up the tank to a known level before you do a water change. This will prevent you slowly increasing the salt levels.

Do regular water changes.

The less filters you have, the more water changes are required. (filters- REAL live rock, not limestone rock or other non-reef derived rock, protein skimmer, deep sand bed, algal scrubber, etc...)

Once your tank has cycled, begin to concentrate on Alk, Cal and Mag.

I recommend salifert test kits.

Once you can do a test, the rest is easy.

Test FIRST for Magnesium.
Supplement the tank as appropriate to brig the Mag to 1330-1350 ppm.
I use Epsom Salts. Magnesium Sulphate.

Let the tank circulate for several hours and then Test for Alk.
Alk should be about 9dKH.
Supplement as appropriate with Baking Soda.

Let circulate for several hours.

Test For Calcium, should be about 450ppm.
Supplement with your choice of additive.
I use Dow Flake which is a road de-icer made of Calcium Chloride.

Test every week the day after doing a water change.

And thats about it.

pH is a natural function of the chemicals in the water. If your pH is off, its due to an environmental issue and should be corrected by finding the problem, not adding an additive.

pH is affected by lack of water flow, lack of surface flow, decaying matter, gunk on filters, algae around the tank top, algae exposed in the back of athe tank as water levels fluctuate. Lack of good air in the room.

Go through these and see what happens to the pH over a day or so.

To see if this is an issue, take some tank water and look at pH. Place in a large container and shake it well, reread pH. if it vaies then something is affecting the water.

ALWAYS try to deal with what is causing a problem than masking...unless you like the look of gasmasks.

--- A lot to digest, but these simple tips will get you going and keep you there.
I have set up dozens of tanks and this is the approach I always use.

At the March meeting we will begin a seminar series to teach basic water chemistry and parameters.

Ed Brookshire will speak for 30 mins on why you need to use RoDi water for all additions.
After that I will speak on basic water chmeistry, testing, using the simple supplements I listed and how to calculate what you need.

April we will endeavor to look deeper at filtration and water flow.

Regards,

Paul.

And having said all of that....one last piece of advice, stick with one persons advice. You simply can not mix multiple approaches. There are many ways to skin a cat, my approach is based on understanding the biology of the system, others will recommend using commercially available chemicals and compounds. Find the approach that you think works best and gives the best results and learn all you can about that approach.

Good luck!
 
I would listen to Paul. He knows way more about this hobby than anyone else I have ever met. Just look at his tank! Its proof he knows what he is doing.
 
I would listen to Paul. He knows way more about this hobby than anyone else I have ever met. Just look at his tank! Its proof he knows what he is doing.

Lol....not quite. I've just made every mistake there is to make, and then a few more.
 
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Well I think I figured out my problem!!!!! I finally went to aquariums in Edmond and talked to Leighan(i dont know how to spell her name). She tested my water and it was
1.030 salinity
0 n02
0 nh3
12 dkh
12 no3
.25 po4
8.2 ph

Well when i tested before and after she did, I was getting totally different results. Which im new at testing and with the strips the color will be so close you cannot tell if its one or the other and the same with the liquid. So I feel so much better I went and spoke with her. I got some rodi water from her and a container and i will be going to get water every week to do my water changes instead of using tap water. Also she told me that my topfin 60 hob filter was fine to use and that I just needed to add 2 powerheads and a protein skimmer and im good to go. She told me to wait around 4-6weeks on corals which is a bummer b/c i wanted to get one at the next meeting but she said just add the water and lower the salinity. Then next week we will test and go from there. Now im just wanting to research a cool way to stack my rock. When i stack it there isnt many holes say a tang could swim through. It just is one gob of rock. With water in it already i wonder how i can redo my rock now while i have only a shrimp and snail in it. Now would be the best time if i could find some cool techniques. I saw someones pic on a thread and it was like little shelves out of pencil sized pvc im guessing which i thought was cool. I have no idea where to get pvc that small though. Any thoughts or suggestions to lead me in the right direction?
 
Congrats,

sounds like you have some confidence back!!!

I believe what you may be talking about is stacking rock with acrylic rod.

Several people on the forum have tanks with rocks they attached together by drilling holes for acrylic rod and 'pinning' them together.

Good luck with your new process.

Did Leigh Ann suggest a test kit besides the strips?
You are correct, they are very difficult to read.
 
I dont think your tank is big enough for a tang. You have to have like five feet in length for it to swim comfortably. I started out with a 58 gallon and was very bummed when I found this out. I dont want to be the tang police though. So someone else please chime in on this. Maybe Im wrong.
 
I dont think your tank is big enough for a tang. You have to have like five feet in length for it to swim comfortably. I started out with a 58 gallon and was very bummed when I found this out. I dont want to be the tang police though. So someone else please chime in on this. Maybe Im wrong.

I have 2 tangs, yellow and a sailfin plus an angle,clown, 6 line and a couple other fish in my 48" long 75 gal. tank with no problems
I've seen tangs in smaller tanks also
 
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