Facing the Music!

deucetowe

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Okay, guys... this might be a long one. Thanks in advance for your interest and help.

I began this quest around July 2006, frequently visiting my LFS and asking all the questions I could think of, keeping up-to-date on a couple forums, listening to podcasts, and designing my setup prior to implementation. My design would change with my experience, so it wasn't until around Oct. that I began the project.

Beginning with a 46 bowfront, I purchased 20 pounds of cured live rock, some of the LFS sand along with enough to complete the covering of the bottom of my tank, and a Coralife 36" Lunar Compact Fluorescent light strip. With 2 Powersweep 226 powerheads for movement. It wasn't until after the after the initial bloom that I noticed the stand I had chosen wasn't going to be sturdy enough to hold 1200+ gallons of water. I can score a 27 on the ACT, but can't have enough foresight to perform some addition and multiplication!

My full intention was to keep adding a little at a time until my project was complete. Big mistake, I believe, as I'm looking back with 20/20 vision. I was coached through this by my LFS, and although I've read to watch out for them, I think I let myself down.

The tank has not had any filtration at all. I placed in a cleaner shrimp, and a cleaning crew after the initial 4-6 weeks went just as described. I was just ready to put the plumbing in place for my fuge/sump when I was hit with unexpected expenses, and the project went on hold... disaster sets in. I place everything on hold because of financial setbacks for 2 months.

Algae began to grow during the 10-hour cycles of light I had going, so I began to do alot of research about how to prevent it. It was definitely hair algae, and was pretty much confined to only 2 out of the 6 rocks in the tank. I decided that I would remove it by hand, using some removal techniques on the net. Since that time, there has been no green hair algae, but the water has been a constant green. DUH!

Anyway, I do a 50% water change about once each month, with tap water (I know) using Prime. The water change drastically changes the concentration of "the green", but within a couple days of the new 4-hours-or-light-per-day schedule, it's back to lime gelatin. There is no smell, believe me my wife would tell me, there are 4-5 snail and a hermit, and I can also see life on the glass when I clean it. I haven't even bothered testing the water in over 2 months...

Finances are more than fine, and my project can be completed. I have spent a lot of money on the rock already in the tank, and I am ordering 45 pounds more of the Fiji Rock. I am getting an Octopus Protein skimmer, setting up a 10 gallon fuge, and a 10 gallon sump. I'm not building it this time, I am going all at once. I am purchasing a nice, standard 75 gallon tank with stand, and transferring the rock into it. I suppose I will need to get another light since the current Coralife is designed for the 36” wide bowfront.

Should I be starting over completely with new sand and clean the current rock, or can this current setup be salvaged and transfered into the new tank. I'd like to think the bacteria is plentiful in the current tank, but I don't want to contaminate the new rock with what I have now.

I'm ready to do whatever it takes, I just need some non-biased experience to chime in. I know there have been many mistakes, I'd just like to hear how everyone would proceed with this if it were theirs...

Thanks again, and I appreciate all the insight everyone has provided since I began diving into this. Although I feel my project is a total disaster, I know I can get things under control given the proper advice.
 
Sounds like quite an adventure! I would consider cooking the rock, imo. Sounds like it would be more time/work to try to reverse all the issues that you have mentioned. Hair algae is a normal part of cycling, but it sounds like a little bit of, unnintentional, neglect had it's toll. Cooking takes a month or so to do it properly and would give you enough time to take care of the stand and other issues that might need attention. Once you are ready, the rock goes back into the tank and you are good to go as you were before.

Besides that, I would highly recommend using RO/DI water. You can get a unit from www.thefilterguys.biz for 160 bucks. Starting with pure water will save you so many headaches in the future, which you probably already know.

Just my thoughts... :)
 
I'd agree with drummerreef, but most of all, I'd get that tank on ro/di water, however acquired, either from your own filter or from Walmart. It's going to take a while to get the mineral buildup balanced, but water changes with salted ro/di will make headway. Your tap water may have imported phosphate [prime green-stuff food] and nitrate [not good for anything but bacon] and hard to know what else. Get yourself some good water tests for alk and a tds meter for total dissolved solids [water purity] and test your basic water source. Your lfs should be able to run that tds test for you. It should ideally be 0 before salt is added. I have a feeling it's going to be a pretty shocking figure.

You can save a bit of money by using some base rock and layering over it with live rock: it will enliven pretty shortly.

I'd suggest the following instruments if you're feeling flush: a ro/di filter [a good one]; a refractometer [salinity]; an autotopoff system [autotopoff.com is a good economical source]; a tds meter of your own; the test strips for nitrate and nitrite; a digital thermometer; and for equipment, a good skimmer. You shouldn't need filtration for an intended reef tank, if your rock and sand is up to snuff and adequate for the tank [1 lb per gallon of each, rock and sand.] Don't get crushed coral: go for aragonite.
 
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Are you going to the 75 because you feel the bowfront is now rendered useless? The fowfront is a nice tank and you can get everything into good working order just by spending some time and money on it. But if you are just looking to upgrad to a larger tank okay.
 
Thanks for the advice, and the concern. I am upgrading because my wife is now digging the whole reef tank thing. Before, she wasn't too sure about it, but after showing her some of the photos on RC, and then taking her by the LFS(who happens to have some awesome display tanks) she's fallen in love with them. Whew! Buys me some time too... She's been giving me a hard time, referring to my tank to our party guests as "My Husband's Algae Project"! I must say she's been pretty supportive considering this is sitting in the living room of our brand new home. :lol:

Also, finding a custom stand for a 46 gallon bowfront is not easy, and what I've found costs just as much as getting a whole new 75 gallon with stand.

One more question: Should I start with new sand on the new tank, or is there a process for ridding the harmful minerals out of it as well. My concern is all the beneficial bacteria that I assume has grown and colonized throughout the tank will be a complete loss. What about the water? Should I be completely filling up the new tank with RO/DI water and just flush the current water?

After cooking the rock, will there be another cycle when it is placed back into the display tank? The cooking instructions mentioned "complete darkness". I thought that the bacteria required light in order to survive and flourish. Am I mistaken about that?

By ditching everything, it sounds like I will be starting over. I suppose I am going to experience another cycle when the supplemental rock is put in anyway, so it may not hurt to just go ahead and start from scratch.

How's this for a direction: Cook the current rock for two months. During that period, get the new display tank in place, do plumbing, setup fuge/sump, and place sand and RO/DI water in the display tank. Place in the supplemental rock giving me 120lbs for the 75 gallon tank. Let the cycle complete. Once the cycle has completed and Amm/Trite/Trate has a stable 0, transfer cooked rock back into display tank and we're off to a fresh, clean start... I hope.

Thanks again for everything! You guys truley bring sanity to an otherwise chaotic situation. The cost of premium membership on here is worth it... just for the therapy alone!
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So you have been doing agressive water changes to the current tank, have you been using tap water still? You say you are cleaning the glass, is it starting to stay relatively clean? Are you seeing a change in the current tank, is algae going away? I guess what I am asking is the current tank starting to stabilize?
I think the answers to these questions will help in deciding wheter or not you need to do anything to the current stuff before putting it into the new tank.
 
Sounds like quite the experience!

I echo "hmello". The Bow front can be saved, if your moving to a larger tank just cause you want one, then cool.

I felt the same itch I guess jumping from 29g to 210g.

The only advice I can suggest is take the upgrade slowly and do all the hardware at once. Enjoy the smaller tank in the interim and try to correct its problems for experience sake (and you never know if you'll turn it into a refugium or quarantine). It's going to be more expensive if you have the same problems in the larger tank. So its better to learn on the small one.

Oh, and RO/DI is a must.
 
No, I haven't been using RO/DI water for the changes. When I do the changes, the water completely clears up to where you can actually tell there is rock there. Dilution more than anything, I think. No hair algae, nothing but corraline on the rocks.

The glass stays VERY clean. No algae growth there, either. When I use the magnet scrubber, The glass is spotless. Problem is, after 1-2 days of the light hitting it, the water is back to a "Prestone" consistency.

I'm trying to keep a light atmosphere, but I know how serious this has become, and will continue to get unless I get it under control. Wifey's not going to let it go forever.

Again, the upgrade to 75 is more for aesthetic reasons... and gravity! The current stand wasn't designed to hold the current tank, and I'm not taking the chance in a brand new house.
 
Okay you are on the road to saving the current tank. I say saving not that you are going to keep it but that you want to use what is in it for the new tank with little intervention. Keep up with the water changes and cleaning as you are. Stop, let me repeat, STOP using tap water for changes. Go to Walmart, LFS of even the grocery store. Get the RO\DI from Walmart of the LFS (probably $.50\gallon) of distilled from the grocery store (probably $1.00 per gallon) mix with you salt and use it for changes.
The other thing is are you running any carbon in your filtration? If not start as it will help to clear your water.

You can save the LR, LS and probably the water in this tank for use in your new one. I agree with Sepeku, this is great experience for you and you should take advantage of the opportunity this presents.

BTW, any pics?
 
I will try to salvage the current setup for experience sake alone. I will look into the RO/DI water today.

Does it matter than I have no protein skimmer or other mechanical filtration? I have no livestock except for a few cleaning crew. I do give the cleaning crew 1/4 cube of frozen Mysis shrimp about 2 times each week.

How would you introduce the carbon filtration to the setup? Remember, I don't have the fuge/sump setup, so there is no hardware moving water except for the Powersweep powerheads.

Should I be keeping up the lighting schedule for the bacteria? What should be the schedule?
 
Yes it does matter that you have no mechanical filtration because you do not have enough live rock and sand to effectively manage the filtration of your tank. Sorry I missed this in your original post.
That being the case you have a couple of options.
1. Go get a el-cheapo hang on the back filter to use for the carbon and the filter pad so that it can remove some of the stuff blowing around in your tank.
2. don't get the filter, reduce your lighting to couple of hours a day and conitinue on with water changes and clening as you are doing now.

I don't think you will get results as quickly with option #2 as you would with option #1.

I personally would get the HOB and use it to get this tank to the condition that I would feel safe in tranferring the existing stuff into the new tank.

Before getting the new tank please do some more reading on setting up a marine system.
Maybe start here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marineSetUp.htm
 
Whoa Jack!!!!:eek1: :eek2:

Cut the lights. Change the water. I would do 20% every other day for about 4 times, and see where you are.
But definately cut the lights. I would not run the lights more that about 3 hours a day.

Anyone else?
 
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