fast dropping alk

reefinmike

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my alk. is dropping appx 1dkh/ day in a 175 gallon total system volume. i only have about 60 frags and 7 4" colonies of sps in it. i have to add a small handful of baking soda a day to keep up with it. it does not appear that there is any precipitation occuring.

Ca- 420ppm(trying to raise that too
Alk-6.4dkh (after waiting two days after it being 9dkh)
mg- 1,250ppm
ph is 8.1 now but when the alk is up, its stable at 8.2


i have no idea what's doing this... it seems i can dump a whole box of baking soda in the tank and it would bring the dkh up one or two.... no precipitation anywhere... not a lot of corals
 
i have the kalk reactor but not able to keep it above 8. My dKH is always 7ish. tag along.
 
1 dKH per day isn't unreasonable. A lot might be going into coralline algae. Are you seeing any signs of precipitation in pumps or other equipment?
 
no, i dont have much coralline growing at all... i think my lighting is too strong. there is no signs of precipitation on any of my equip.
 
That's totally normal. I loose about 2 dKh and have to add 11 liters of saturated limewater a day to maintain. Occationally I'll still need a little extra bump with homemade 2 part.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8556091#post8556091 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by reefinmike
damn.... i guess my tank was really hurtin when i wasnt monitoring it so closely...

Not necessarily. As the levels drop the calcification process slows so you never really hit a 0, or even a 3 or 4 most likely.
 
If you look closely at the water you can see what appears to be "snow" falling or blowing around in the tank (depending on how much flow you have).

Sort of looks like one of the "snow balls" you play with at Christmas time only not as bad. :)
 
Yup, I agree that it's normal. I see right around 2dKH loss per day as well. I use kalkwasser for 100% of my topoff & also supplement 175mL of each parts 1&2 of Randy's DIY recipe per day.
 
what does "precipitation" mean as it relates to alk and calcium?

Sometimes it is the solid that forms on pump impellers and heaters, but it also often goes unnoticed. Big precipitation events where the water turns milky are rare and usually only happen with a limewater overdose or higher high pH additions.
 
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8557164#post8557164 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by seattlerob
Yup, I agree that it's normal. I see right around 2dKH loss per day as well. I use kalkwasser for 100% of my topoff & also supplement 175mL of each parts 1&2 of Randy's DIY recipe per day.

That sounds like a lot Seattlerob. I have a 90 also with tons of coralline and only a few corals. But I don't add nearly that much. I know that I had a precipitation problem. It manifested itself as clogging pumps up rather rapidly. Like in 30 to 45 days or less I had to change out my return pump and clean the PH quite frequently. In addition my sump had lots of white stuff and other crapola on the side walls.

I have since changed the way I dose and now I dose considerably less. I don't know if this is your situation but at the height of my problem I was dosing limewater 24/7 and dosing Randy's 2 part to the tune of 100 to 120 ml per day to maintain. I now dose far less than that. On the order of 30 ml per day of each.

My calcium is right around 425, ph 8.10, Alkalinity 3.20 meq/l.

Now my sump is getting real clean and I don't have the pump problem.

Just thought I would mention this. I was pretty dumbfounded for awhile but then with some help from folks on this forum the problem became clear.

Rainy month eh? Looks like we have set the record.

Regards,

Pat
 
Thanks Pat. I really appreciate your insight on this. I did initially have a problem with white stuff on the walls of my sump, but I seem to have corrected this issue by changing where I dose the Ca & Alk parts. Before, I was dosing Ca and Alk at the same place in my sump where the kalkwasser was entering (not dosing all at the same time, of course). After reading some other threads, I have now started dosing Alk directly into the tank (on right side), and Ca directly into the tank (on left side), and still have kalkwasser coming into the sump. Since changing to this, I still get some white stuff on the walls of my sump, but it doesn't build up nearly as fast as when I dosed all into the sump. But, maybe this is still an indication I am dosing too much? I also still clean my SEIO and RIO pumps about once a month, as the impeller in these seem to seize up from Ca buildup (I usually notice this when I turn off a pump & then it fails to come back on). However, I don't have this problem with my modded maxijet PHs. I had attributed this to the way the SEIO and RIO pumps are designed (ceramic shaft versus stainless steel), but maybe this is also something I should be concerned with?

I dose daily and test weekly. In my 45g tank (mainly softies) I am dosing 80mL of each part daily. In my 90g (mainly SPS) I am dosing 175mL of each part daily. My Alk tests between 8-9dKH in both tanks. My Ca has been slowly creeping upwards. I was targetting 420ppm, but last week when I tested it was 440ppm. My understanding from reading various posts, etc is that I should be focusing on the Alk to determine how much to dose, so that's what I've been doing. I've been dosing at these levels for about 2 months now. If it is too much, shouldn't I be seeing the Alk climbing too high? FWIW, my corals, fish, etc all seem to be thriving. SPS growth has been pretty darn good too.

Let me know what you think as I'm completely open to suggestions. I am willing to try dosing less, but I am under the assumption that I need to keep my primary focus on Alk level, which is how I got to the 80mL and 175mL numbers. According to the Reef Chemistry Calculator, 30mL would only raise Alk about 0.5dKH for 90g. From tracking my tanks, I'm pretty sure I am consuming more than that daily. Also, one small minor point, factoring in my sump and LR, using the volume calculator I calculated out my 90g tank to be 105g of water, and my 45g tank (sumpless) to be 37g of water. So my dosing numbers should probably be associated with those numbers rather than 90g&45g.

And yes, rainy month here in the Puget Sound area for sure!

rob
 
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