Finally an easy solution to bryopsis!
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montrealreef
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dendro982,
for what its worth, I'm running a UV sterilizer (which supposedly decreases sexual reproduction)
and activated carbon through a media reactor 24/7. I'm keeping my pH at the higher end of normal (8.4 -8.6) through addition of Kalkwasser by slurry method. Alk is 15-16.
Mr31415,
I also noticed that the areas with more intense illumination responded to Mg earlier..
for what its worth, I'm running a UV sterilizer (which supposedly decreases sexual reproduction)
and activated carbon through a media reactor 24/7. I'm keeping my pH at the higher end of normal (8.4 -8.6) through addition of Kalkwasser by slurry method. Alk is 15-16.
Mr31415,
I also noticed that the areas with more intense illumination responded to Mg earlier..
melev
Well-known member
It sounds like you have Pink Cotton Candy algae:
http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2002-12/nftt/index.php
Znut Reefer
Premium Member
I tried raising my mag and got it up to 1600. The bryosis still kept growing. I lost both of my nice desawali acros. So stopped adding the Tech M. I think I lost the Desawali because of raising the mag. They are pretty sensitive to water quality. I have too much invested to try it again.
And a foxface is not an option here. I just pulled a 6" one out about 2 months ago. He had been in there for 5 yrs but developed a taste for acros. ):
I vowed never to add another to my sps tank.
And a foxface is not an option here. I just pulled a 6" one out about 2 months ago. He had been in there for 5 yrs but developed a taste for acros. ):
I vowed never to add another to my sps tank.
well im getting worried here!!! All these latest threads ae saying bad results from rasing mg levels as u can see i have mg and recently stated uping my mg via epsom salt...
im hoping that these people went to fast or something else was the cause of there problems, as i have a 12 year old tank that just got this and pulling rock is not an option, please someone please advise, stop or keep trying?
im hoping that these people went to fast or something else was the cause of there problems, as i have a 12 year old tank that just got this and pulling rock is not an option, please someone please advise, stop or keep trying?
airinhere
New member
I would say skip the epsom salt and just go straight to the Tech-M. I spent almost two months trying the epsom salt and got mediocre results. I switched to the Tech-M and the bryopsis just disintergrated and has been gone for months now.
Most of the people reporting issues with coral losses are talking about fairly exotic types. The pictures you posted show you have lots of mushrooms and some zoanthids. Unless you have something known to be highly sensitive to water quality issues, I would say you have little to fear by slowly raising your mag levels.
I raiised mine as high as 1700ppm (Seachem Test Kit) and have lots of chalices, duncans, zoanthids, acros, acans, and montiporas (digi and caps). Only a single colony of my acans reacted strongly to the treatment and it was jacked-up anyways. In fact, my coral growth has increased since I keep my mag higher than normal now.
And MR31415 has a good point as well. Something spured the growth of the bryopsis. When you kill the bryopsis, something else is going to capitalize on the available nutrients in your tank.
That something else is probably going to be hair algae.
So you need to implement an improved method of nutrient export before you kill off the bryopsis. Chaeto in a lighted sump/refugium, carbon reactor, increased skimming, more/ larger water changes.
Otherwise you are just going to trade one algae mess for another.
Most of the people reporting issues with coral losses are talking about fairly exotic types. The pictures you posted show you have lots of mushrooms and some zoanthids. Unless you have something known to be highly sensitive to water quality issues, I would say you have little to fear by slowly raising your mag levels.
I raiised mine as high as 1700ppm (Seachem Test Kit) and have lots of chalices, duncans, zoanthids, acros, acans, and montiporas (digi and caps). Only a single colony of my acans reacted strongly to the treatment and it was jacked-up anyways. In fact, my coral growth has increased since I keep my mag higher than normal now.
And MR31415 has a good point as well. Something spured the growth of the bryopsis. When you kill the bryopsis, something else is going to capitalize on the available nutrients in your tank.
That something else is probably going to be hair algae.
So you need to implement an improved method of nutrient export before you kill off the bryopsis. Chaeto in a lighted sump/refugium, carbon reactor, increased skimming, more/ larger water changes.
Otherwise you are just going to trade one algae mess for another.
amcarrig
Allons-y!
OK, we're going to give this tank one more chance. Our mag is up to about 2,000 but we're using Epsom salts until a bottle of Tech M that we ordered arrives. I removed as much of the long stuff as possible (again) and also removed a few rocks and corals that were heavily infested. I snapped a few frags off of the corals that were removed and I hope that they make it. I added a foxface and 2 sea hares. If this doesn't do the trick, the tank will come down.
IReefer madness
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Bryopsis corticulans
Bryopsis corymbosa
Bryopsis halliae
Bryopsis hypnoides
Bryopsis indica
Bryopsis pennata
(Bryopsis pennata var. leprieurii )
(Bryopsis pennata var. secundata)
(Bryopsis pennata var. secunda)
Bryopsis plumosa
Bryopsis ramulosa
Where could one find a pic of the above to determine which species of bryopsis we are dealing with. It seems after reading this entire thread for over 3 hours that most are dealing with a single variety of bryopsis. Not sure which it is from above but the one with some sort of feather appearance as shown multiple times in the reading. It seems that most are probably having success with a single species. Just a thought...
Bryopsis corymbosa
Bryopsis halliae
Bryopsis hypnoides
Bryopsis indica
Bryopsis pennata
(Bryopsis pennata var. leprieurii )
(Bryopsis pennata var. secundata)
(Bryopsis pennata var. secunda)
Bryopsis plumosa
Bryopsis ramulosa
Where could one find a pic of the above to determine which species of bryopsis we are dealing with. It seems after reading this entire thread for over 3 hours that most are dealing with a single variety of bryopsis. Not sure which it is from above but the one with some sort of feather appearance as shown multiple times in the reading. It seems that most are probably having success with a single species. Just a thought...
This bryopsis:
is persistent, loses feathers during treatment:
by Seachem Reef Advantage Magnesium, ESV liquid magnesium, Kent Tech M, only stalks left, then returns back.
Some external layer becomes slime-like (desintegrates, maybe), but not disappears.
Same happens with some kind of short and wiry red turf algae - becomes bleached and softer, easier to tear off:
Side effects:
some corals are bleaching and declining, most - not. Die-off on the beige porites (all are Christmas tree rocks, including green pavona):
Green pavona from this shot started to bleach recently, after switching to TechM.
Green porites on the photo above - too, reddening, closing, some even dying, but in less extent, then beige porites.
Unaffected are:
Small Tridacnas, commom brown porites (Xmas tree rocks too), brown with green center porites (Xmas tree rock too
), montipora, birds nest (covered by bryopsis, but well alive), stylopora, pocillopora, scleronephthya, toadstool and cabbage leathers, baby sun, turbinaria, blasto merletti, red kelp and blue ochtodes.
Condy anemone unhappy, but alive (still worse after switching to Tech M).
What is interesting, that in a high flow bryopsis continue to grow - nice green and healthy - on the glass, while declining on porous surfaces.
Really would like the more safe and efficient treatment
is persistent, loses feathers during treatment:
by Seachem Reef Advantage Magnesium, ESV liquid magnesium, Kent Tech M, only stalks left, then returns back.
Some external layer becomes slime-like (desintegrates, maybe), but not disappears.
Same happens with some kind of short and wiry red turf algae - becomes bleached and softer, easier to tear off:
Side effects:
some corals are bleaching and declining, most - not. Die-off on the beige porites (all are Christmas tree rocks, including green pavona):
Green pavona from this shot started to bleach recently, after switching to TechM.
Green porites on the photo above - too, reddening, closing, some even dying, but in less extent, then beige porites.
Unaffected are:
Small Tridacnas, commom brown porites (Xmas tree rocks too), brown with green center porites (Xmas tree rock too
), montipora, birds nest (covered by bryopsis, but well alive), stylopora, pocillopora, scleronephthya, toadstool and cabbage leathers, baby sun, turbinaria, blasto merletti, red kelp and blue ochtodes.Condy anemone unhappy, but alive (still worse after switching to Tech M).
What is interesting, that in a high flow bryopsis continue to grow - nice green and healthy - on the glass, while declining on porous surfaces.
Really would like the more safe and efficient treatment
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boobookitty
Active member
So, would the method work on this stuff? I've been fighting this stuff for over a year. Finally took down the tank 2 months ago, took out the DSB, replaced 80% of the LR, and restarted...and now it's starting to show up again. Aargh!
Thinking of trying the magnesium method...would it work on this stuff? It's not feathery like caulerpa...just grows long and straight, and in clumps...I would suspect derbesia/GHA, but my 4 tangs won't touch this stuff...
Original incarnation (pre-breakdown of tank):
New pics of the new growth:
Thinking of trying the magnesium method...would it work on this stuff? It's not feathery like caulerpa...just grows long and straight, and in clumps...I would suspect derbesia/GHA, but my 4 tangs won't touch this stuff...
Original incarnation (pre-breakdown of tank):
New pics of the new growth:
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poopsko24
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looks like the same crap i have, think I'm going to add a U.V. and a sea hare..............http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1266713
When I read this thread I got new hope to kill the bryopsis in my tank. At the moment bryopsis grows only on few places at the liverocks, but I'm afraid it would be more in several months. I tried everything from Tridacia crispata to other algae eaters - but without success. The I tried the Kalkwasser method and raised the pH to 8,6 - this was successfull, but I saw, that most of my SPS-Corals didn't like this method. So I was surprised about this alternative method of raising the Mg-Level.
Before I started to raise up the Mg-level I messured the following water parameters:
pH: 8,3-8,4
KH: 7-8 dH°
Ca: 430 mg/l
Mg: 1390 mg/l
NO3: 0 mg/l
PO4: 0,024 mg/l
The tank is 66 gallon(US) tank with mostly SPS-corals. I have high water movement, skimmer and a DSB-system. I'm content with the coral growing and the colors of my corals. The lightning is 6x39 Watt T5 with 3 ATI aquablue sp. and 3 Blue plus.
I started now to raise up my Mg for one week with Tropic Marin Bio Magnesium, because I used this product before to hold my Mg-level on recommanded level.
Now the Mg-level is about 1700 mg/l and Ca is raised up to 480 mg/l. The corals are all looking good - no bleaching or other negative efects. But Bryopsis is growing happy like before.
Should I raise up the Mg-level slowly higher to 1900 or 2000 mg/l or should I wait and hold the level to 1700 mg/l ?
Maybe the TropicMarin Bio Magnesium hasn't the same effect like the Tech M, but I don't really think so. So if it doesn't work with the Tropic Marin I would start again after a while with the Tech M and I would inform you again about the result. I hope I would work!
Sudad
Before I started to raise up the Mg-level I messured the following water parameters:
pH: 8,3-8,4
KH: 7-8 dH°
Ca: 430 mg/l
Mg: 1390 mg/l
NO3: 0 mg/l
PO4: 0,024 mg/l
The tank is 66 gallon(US) tank with mostly SPS-corals. I have high water movement, skimmer and a DSB-system. I'm content with the coral growing and the colors of my corals. The lightning is 6x39 Watt T5 with 3 ATI aquablue sp. and 3 Blue plus.
I started now to raise up my Mg for one week with Tropic Marin Bio Magnesium, because I used this product before to hold my Mg-level on recommanded level.
Now the Mg-level is about 1700 mg/l and Ca is raised up to 480 mg/l. The corals are all looking good - no bleaching or other negative efects. But Bryopsis is growing happy like before.
Should I raise up the Mg-level slowly higher to 1900 or 2000 mg/l or should I wait and hold the level to 1700 mg/l ?
Maybe the TropicMarin Bio Magnesium hasn't the same effect like the Tech M, but I don't really think so. So if it doesn't work with the Tropic Marin I would start again after a while with the Tech M and I would inform you again about the result. I hope I would work!
Sudad
ummm. i started raising my mg with epsom salt about a week ago i add 2 cups per day and already finished 2 containers, and i am only about 1500ppm and i think it might be slowely feeding this stuff im gertting a huge outbreak of it lately. Do you need to raise the tank ppm quickly? like 100 per day? cause i think this slow increase its feeding off it? someone please advise that had luck with epsom slat alone, thanks. Or do i need to go get tech m? from this point out.
Also i have a 120 gallon tank, it says 1ml per galllon thats for me 120 mls to raise it 18? inother wards a half gallon that has roughly 480ml i can only raise the tank about 80ppm for 14.99? can that be correct? seems so exspensive to raise using tech m?
god i hate this stufff....!!!!!!!
Also i have a 120 gallon tank, it says 1ml per galllon thats for me 120 mls to raise it 18? inother wards a half gallon that has roughly 480ml i can only raise the tank about 80ppm for 14.99? can that be correct? seems so exspensive to raise using tech m?
god i hate this stufff....!!!!!!!
i also noticed my nitrates were back up again to 25ppm, i dunno whats causing this spike, im not overfeeding etc, I think i might remove all my sand to eleminate all sources of nutrietnts for this bryopsis, ill bump up my skimmer and im gonna throw some phosguard into my reactor.
