Finally an easy solution to bryopsis!

i posted this in another thread but i had bryo, i started dosing seachem reef complete (calc/stront/mag) additive daily, and my bryo is gone as well as lots of the hair algae that was growing on my rocks.....no idea how, but it is working...i even bought tech M but then this is working, so i have not dosed it.
 
I know I'm very late to this thread, but I just started dosing with Tech-M yesterday, so I've got my fingers crossed and will keep you all posted as to whether or not the Tech-M magic still exists!!
Tim
 
Oh it exists alright ;) trust me on that. I think there is one form of bryo that won't die.


Also, the bryo that I had did die, but came right back (despite 0.0ppm nitrate on the salifert and 0.05ppm phosphate on the seachem kit). I'm thinking the bryo is surviving on nutrients bound up in the live rock right now. Time will tell ;).
 
I dosed the tech-m back in may, totally wiped out the bryopsis.Or so I thought.I am now seeing bryopsis returning in the same places it was at before.
 
Its a 130 gallon system. I raised the mag level to 1800-1900. I kept it at that level for almost a month.

How long did it take the Byropsis to die back? Some reports on here make it sound like it starts to die almost immediately when Tech M is dosed. I don't know that I could afford to use Tech M for a month in our 500G system... :sad2:

Has anyone tried to 72 hour lights out approach against this algae? Will lights out weaken or kill the byropsis as it will with HA?

LL
 
Lights-out can help, but it's not a magic bullet nor even "real helpful".


Personally I am close to launching an all-out phosphate assault and ordering some GFO and continuing the Vitamin C dosing (aka like vodka dosing).


Right now I'm relying on heavy wet skimming, vitamin C dosing (which is definitely helping), a refugium, and allowing more soft corals in one of the tanks act as a nutrient sponge (ie, a xenia/GSP/anthelia refugium).
 
I have ordered the TLF 550 Phosphate reactor as well. We'll see how that works out...

Thanks for the hints.

LL
 
Personally I am close to launching an all-out phosphate assault and ordering some GFO and continuing the Vitamin C dosing (aka like vodka dosing).

Great minds must think alike! As part of my bryopsis battle I just started up a phosban reactor so I'm hoping that the Tech-M will take care of the bryo and and the phosban will keep it at bay. All of this compounded by lots of elbow grease in pulling the bigger clumps out.
 
I'd be very tempted to just add more and more GFO until the corals started looking phosphate deprived.


I'm starting to wonder if anyone ever beats this %^$#@^&&*^&* long term without having to tear down and cook the rock.


This mess has been enough for me to swear off EVER EVER EVER using live rock again.

I'll pretty much never use live rock again as long as I live---- using dry rock is cheaper and has NO pest algae (or any of the other critters from the huge list of unwanted hitchhikers).
 
So here's a quick question. When I get the Mag level up high to where I need it (i.e. >1500), how do I keep it elevated through water changes? I'm guessing I just toss in some Tech-M in the new water to crank up the level? I don't recall reading anything about that in the thread, although I admit its been a while since I've read the whole thing through. Or do you just not do the water changes for like a month (yikes!)? Kelly, you said you maintained yours at 1800-1900 for a month in your 130, surely you did water changes in that month?
Thanks!
Tim
 
I have read until page 19 and will continue, but already I have a question. It seems to me that not Mg is the component which makes the Bryopsis disappear but SO4. I am abble to measure SO4 and it has raised from 2720 ppm to 3420 ppm by dosing Seachem Reef Advantage Magnesium to raise my Mg from 1200 ppm to 1430 ppm. But I also have Na2SO4 that I can use to raise my SO4, so if I should raise my SO4 even more by using Na2SO4 and the Bryopsis would disappear maybe the conclusion could be that raising SO4 levels allone would be enough to kill teh Bryopsis.

But i have one question waht level of SO3 should I aim for?
 
There is a mysterious impurity in the Tech M that is killing bryopsis. Magnesium just happens to be a hitch-hiker in this case, and a good way to measure how much of this mysterious impurity we are putting in our tank (ie, adding 200ppm or so of magnesium seems to equate to enough of the impurity to kill the bryopsis).
Thats speculation and nothing more, it shouldnt be stated as a "fact".

I used bulk mag flake and epsom salt 5cups to 3 cups per BRS 2part recipe to get rid of my briopsis, a friend used the same with good results. I raised levels 50-100 ppm per day from 1300 to 1750-1800 thats when it died off. I do not believe it has to be "tech m", but if it works great, im sure the company is happy to have people swearing by them.
 
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Thats speculation and nothing more, it shouldnt be stated as a "fact".

I used bulk mag flake and epsom salt 5cups to 3 cups per BRS 2part recipe to get rid of my briopsis, a friend used the same with good results. I raised levels 50-100 ppm per day from 1300 to 1750-1800 thats when it died off. I do not believe it has to be "tech m", but if it works great, im sure the company is happy to have people swearing by them.


There's little speculation about it that regular mag chloride and sulfate don't tend to work, although for some it has, like yourself. Granted, I'm not a scientist, but I can assure you that I nuked my tank with mag flake (from BRS) and epsom salts from Wal Mart, in a 4:1 ratio. Raised my mag to over 2,000 for weeks.

Absolutely no effect other than really ticking off my orange frogspawn:sad2:.


Now, I agree with you that it doesn't have to be Tech M, I've read a good number of folks say that Seachem's magnesium (Reef Advantage mag?) did the same thing.


But there are a LOT of people who got no results whatsoever from mag flake and epsom salts.




I have read until page 19 and will continue, but already I have a question. It seems to me that not Mg is the component which makes the Bryopsis disappear but SO4. I am abble to measure SO4 and it has raised from 2720 ppm to 3420 ppm by dosing Seachem Reef Advantage Magnesium to raise my Mg from 1200 ppm to 1430 ppm. But I also have Na2SO4 that I can use to raise my SO4, so if I should raise my SO4 even more by using Na2SO4 and the Bryopsis would disappear maybe the conclusion could be that raising SO4 levels allone would be enough to kill teh Bryopsis.

But i have one question waht level of SO3 should I aim for?


Sulfate has been discussed, but there are folks who have dumped a large amount of mag sulfate/epsom salts into their tanks to no avail. However there have also been folks that Tech M didn't even work (my case, kinda, since it always comes back).

Sulfate's a possibility but it's only speculation. I'd personally like to know why some folks add several hundred ppm of magnesium via mag sulfate and it doesn't work, but they just toss in 100 or 200ppm of Tech M and the bryo usually dissolves, although not always.



So here's a quick question. When I get the Mag level up high to where I need it (i.e. >1500), how do I keep it elevated through water changes? I'm guessing I just toss in some Tech-M in the new water to crank up the level? I don't recall reading anything about that in the thread, although I admit its been a while since I've read the whole thing through. Or do you just not do the water changes for like a month (yikes!)? Kelly, you said you maintained yours at 1800-1900 for a month in your 130, surely you did water changes in that month?
Thanks!
Tim


I didn't do water changes the first month. I keep my stocking levels low and water quality as pristine as you can get in a 45g system (well, almost) so it's not an issue to miss a month.


However, adding Tech M to your new make-up water is a breeze. Just follow the instructions on the bottle, I think it's 1 mL per gallon to raise magnesium by 18ppm, so raising a 5g bucket of fresh salt water by 150ppm would be around 8-10 mL. You have a lot of wiggle room here and there's no golden standard you'll need to follow.


I don't know if anyone has ever beaten it long term. Wonder if Vodka dosing will help?


I am wondering both points. I can't chase it off, although it's never been more than a few patches here and there---- this has been going on for 9 months. The bryopsis died off totally when I hit the tank with Tech M but came right back.



I'm dosing Vitamin C right now, and was dosing glucose for a while until I decided it was overkill. My phosphates are generally below detectable levels (or barely, as in 0.05ppm on the Seachem kit), as are nitrates (0.0ppm Salifert).


It does seem to slow the bryo. But it's not killing it yet. I suspect the bryo is good at finding nutrients in all sorts of manners aside from the water column.
 
Sulfate has been discussed, but there are folks who have dumped a large amount of mag sulfate/epsom salts into their tanks to no avail. However there have also been folks that Tech M didn't even work (my case, kinda, since it always comes back).

Sulfate's a possibility but it's only speculation. I'd personally like to know why some folks add several hundred ppm of magnesium via mag sulfate and it doesn't work, but they just toss in 100 or 200ppm of Tech M and the bryo usually dissolves, although not always.

Have people done acurate measurements of their sulfate level during te effort of erradicating Bryopsis? My Mg now is about 1400ppm and SO4 is about 3400ppm (SO4 in NSW is 2700ppm) I will use Na2SO4 to reach a SO4 level of about 4000ppm im te next couple of days and I will report back.
 
Have people done acurate measurements of their sulfate level during te effort of erradicating Bryopsis? My Mg now is about 1400ppm and SO4 is about 3400ppm (SO4 in NSW is 2700ppm) I will use Na2SO4 to reach a SO4 level of about 4000ppm im te next couple of days and I will report back.


That sounds great, please do report back!

I have a few rocks and, ironically, a mag float covered in GSP and bryopsis that I may set up in a different tank and do a mag sulfate nuke, to see if the bryo and/or GSP respond.

I don't have any way to measure sulfate so I'll have to "guestimate" the levels, but it's a start.


How are you measuring sulfate?
 
I work at a laboratory where we I measure sulfate, I do have to dillute my water pretty much because of the high chloride concentration but it I still get a pretty good readout.

Right now I am taking out the Bryopsis by hand and I am hoping it won't come back as fast as the last time.
 
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