(First Reef Tank Ever) **** 600gal Display **** 1300gal System
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danskim
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12080296#post12080296 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jnarowe
The problem with this statement is that they also poop out waste. They may utilize decaying matter for nutrition, but they still produce waste. I don't know enough about these creatures to definitively state what they burn and what they excrete, but I do know that the way they are sold in the hobby is very misleading.
Many of them may be just in the same category as bristleworms and perhaps misunderstood, but to say they "clean" the sand is a bit suspicious to me.
And eating "plankton" as a dietary supplement is in fact eating benthic organisms within the sand bed. I am not saying that people shouldn't use some of these animals in their systems, but just that a more educated approach in general is needed with respect to sand sifting/cleaning animals.
I would much prefer to house cucumbers than sand-sifting sea stars for sure.
I agree there's a lot of misleading information... particularly coming from those who can make a profit from it. I think the plankton they meant was the filter feeding cukes like Sea apples.
And I agree that they probably make some waste
But as true detrivores, they may do more good by breaking down the detritus even more for the good bacteria to break down.http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2004-12/rs/index.php
(scroll down to Holothuroids)
The author says, "Animal-based foods, and occasionally small animals, will often pass through their guts undigested." I think he might mean plankton like 'pods.
He also says that they slowly but surely fade away for the most part. My 3 cukes hvae all grown considerably while they were in the 150 and hopefully a little more in the 300. I'll probably have to get rid of 1 or more as they get larger and potentially starve one another.
Reeftanks6
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Bart what size tank do you think i need for a orange shoulder tang.
jnarowe
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all god points Dan. And I have had a filter-feeding cuke in my system for about 2 years. It has never moved from its spot in front of a powerhead, and seems to be just fine. Cukes will fade away if water quality and general environment aren't up to snuff IMO.
I think aesthetically speaking they can be an advantage, but I am just so so sure about the real "good" they do in terms of cleaning sand or improving water quality.
I also lean towards detritus eating tangs for the same reason. I figure if a tang is going to eat crap, it's a good member of the reef!
I think aesthetically speaking they can be an advantage, but I am just so so sure about the real "good" they do in terms of cleaning sand or improving water quality.
I also lean towards detritus eating tangs for the same reason. I figure if a tang is going to eat crap, it's a good member of the reef!
cbui2
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reeftanks6 - sorry but not sure whats the minimum size a display have to be, but mine live in a mansion 
so i am one of the selected few who won a vacation trip
http://www.poseidonresorts.com/poseidon_main.html
so i am one of the selected few who won a vacation trip
http://www.poseidonresorts.com/poseidon_main.html
old95er
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12082478#post12082478 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by cbui2
reeftanks6 - sorry but not sure whats the minimum size a display have to be, but mine live in a mansion
so i am one of the selected few who won a vacation trip
http://www.poseidonresorts.com/poseidon_main.html
OMG! OMG!! I just woke up on the floor. . .I must have passed out after looking at the poseidon site. . .
$30k a week? that's nothing compared to Bart's electric bill. . .when do we all go?
jnarowe
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12082732#post12082732 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by cbui2
will be done spring 2009 and only selected few will have the luxury vacation. total of 24 underwater suites which also detachable
Nice. That place looks sweet, but I don't think I would want to be the test group.
PaPa_Johnny
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Nice pics Bart! Your tank is filling slowly but surely 
. Your fish are spoilt, did you know that?
. Your fish are spoilt, did you know that?
Reeftanks6
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ok thanks. Wow 30k for an electric bill thats crazy.
cbui2
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whoever wants to go please PM me for details
old95er - :lol: $30k for electric bills, the fish will be up for adoption
jnarowe - this is one vacation you will not forget
PaPa_Johnny - the tangs are living better then me. when i make it home the first thing i do is feed them all before i even get to eat dinner
. they made it to a part of the indo pacific
Reeftanks6 - i will still be paying for my electric when i moved out
old95er - :lol: $30k for electric bills, the fish will be up for adoption
jnarowe - this is one vacation you will not forget
PaPa_Johnny - the tangs are living better then me. when i make it home the first thing i do is feed them all before i even get to eat dinner
. they made it to a part of the indo pacific Reeftanks6 - i will still be paying for my electric when i moved out
cbui2
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so i was wondering why the display gets cloudy, then i caught the female bluejaw trigger clearing the road as she is getting bigger and cant fit into her hiding spot. also caught the male stirring up sand in the right front and rear corner of display creating a large mound for no reason, that's not even his place of residence. he has his own hiding spot in the back left. i will need to install a playground since the caves isn't doing the job .
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Reeftanks6
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LOL bart. My tank has got this really bad algae its all over the rock and sand and i dont know what it is.
cbui2
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Reeftanks6 - omg sorry to hear this, i had bad algae outbreak all over rocks, walls and sand the first 3 months. its all gone now, maybe its my 150gal cheato w/100lbs rocks or 400lbs DSB w/100lbs rock in 2nd fuge. currently running about 900gph w/3600g of phosban in reactor and 10 bags chemi pure 24/7. these are the only two type of media im using and tons of water changes.
mcliffy2 - thanks, as objects may appear closer then you think. its about 3" from front of display, so magnets cleaner can clear. also the display sits 5" below the removable ledge, making it easy for me not to scrape the coraline off by using magnet cleaner to do the job. at 48" wide make it difficult to crawl across eurobrace and use a kent scraper the clean the coraline off .
current water parameter:
Calcium 440
Alkalinity 9
Salinity 1.025
Temperature 79
Magnesium 1350
pH 8.2
mcliffy2 - thanks, as objects may appear closer then you think
. its about 3" from front of display, so magnets cleaner can clear. also the display sits 5" below the removable ledge, making it easy for me not to scrape the coraline off by using magnet cleaner to do the job. at 48" wide make it difficult to crawl across eurobrace and use a kent scraper the clean the coraline off .current water parameter:
Calcium 440
Alkalinity 9
Salinity 1.025
Temperature 79
Magnesium 1350
pH 8.2
Reeftanks6
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Ok yea my thought was that its a new tank and its getting use to the light and everything else in there. When i go to the fish store i will pick up 10-15 snails and see if they can help me out with it.
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