First Time Saltwater LR LF setup

P.S. I just bought a 20 watt LED flood for my refugium. I'm trying to get my cheto to grow better. I'm also acclimating 7 sunset sailfin mollys to salt. They came in fresh at noon yesterday, and are at about 1.013 salinity now. I pulled out some hair algae and stuck it in with them. They had scarfed it up in about 10 minutes, and I put in quite a bit...:bounce3::bounce3::bounce3::bounce3:
 
Many people disagree on tank temps. One of the most debated and pointless subjects IMO. I think the only thing we all agree on is minimum temp, max temp and that temp swings are what are to be avoided. Maximum temp should not be over about 85. Min temp should be over 74. I'm not sure why your tank got so hot, but my advice would be to find where your tank seems to be stable. Sooo, pick something in the middle and stick with it. Just pick something you like with an appropriate buffer to avoid over/under temp problems. I run my tank hotter in winter and cooler in summer. Just to delay any problems if the temp controls fail. IE. heaters,AC.... Also the metabolism of all reef dwellers gets faster in warmer water. Things grow faster, but problems could arise just that much faster as well. Some toxins apparently are much less dangerous at too cold temps, and become more so as temps go up, primarily ammonia.

This is an incredible build thread. A lot long, but stuffed full of great info. I suggest going through as much as you can. If you ever finish, you'll be as well informed as any other person on this forum... http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1811725 Good luck...
Whats the ETA on enough stuff to start up the main display?
Daniel :wildone:
Well I'm heading on vacation for 2 weeks starting next week, in which time my cabinet will be ready and all my piping and overflow (which I painted and have "acclimating" in water) will be safe for the DT.

Install of my cabinetry is scheduled for March 13 when I get back that weekend I hope to have it all running.

I'm fairly certain my problem with the heat swings is due to a combination of the house heat, and the length of my grow lamp being on (9-10 hours), they give off some good heat, I may swap the bulb to a 5600k standard daylight CFL bulb eventually, but I'll see what the temps are at in the DT with all the lights running.

The protein skimmer is taking out some really nasty stuff :D it's working great! :) Water is clear as glass. Also, noticed some fuzz starting to grow and some spots in the sand showing up in the fuge, guess it really does take 10-14 days for population to occur.

I'm also going to be ordering 40lbs of dry rock from a Canadian seller (save on shipping charges), I may not put all 40lbs in but at least I have some for other purposes.

http://www.jlaquatics.com/phpstore/store_pages/product-info.php?product_ID=cs-rrock2

I've read some good review on it. Looks promising.

Also filled up the DT to figure out the water levels for the Overflow Box, finally built it and painted it black, should help blend into the background.

Getting much closer to having this running :D been doing lots of research on rock layouts, can't wait to aquascape it.
 
QUESTION: How would you guys recommend weighing down a plastic overflow box? I guess I could silicone it to the side of the tank but then it isn't removable for maintenance...

Think suction cups would work?
 
Magnets... Have you seen the new "ghost overflow" from Reef Savvy? Stick some magnets inside the box... My suggestion...
Daniel :wildone:
 
UPDATE: Before I leave for vacation.

The DT is ready to go, I painted all the fittings and DIY overflow box that will be visible in the tank black to blend a bit nicer, they are currently leeching in a pail of water, this way I can ensure they are safe for my setup :)

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Worth noting that I'm placing the overflow box in the middle for best skimming capabilities, and going to run dual returns with a 'Y' pipe from the return pump to each back corner of the tank, should help with some good flow :).

Also, getting some awesome growth in the 'fuge. Have what looks to be Cyano algae growing on the sand surface, as well as some unknown fuzz on the rocks and this unknown dark green looking sand fuzzy.

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Can anyone ID the above curious as to what it is?

Pretty sure these are red spaghetti sand worms in the pic below... Heard they are good...
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And finally, the crap that the protein skimmer has been removing.....
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Still haven't seen much in terms of an ammonia spike, also nitrates/nitrites are in check, should I be worried, it's been up for 2 weeks with nothing yet.
 
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Question: Should I be seeing ammonia and nitrate/nitrite spikes? Nothing has shown up yet, I'll have to test today before I go on vacation tomorrow.
 
Nor sure about the 'should' part of the question.
I just recently started up a second SW tank, and between two startups, I have yet to see an ammonia spike. I'm not saying it didn't happen, just that within a 4-6 week period for each tank, the levels only climbed a hair.
As long as you haven't put any livestock in yet, don't stress over the chemistry till after a few weeks. I'm down to testing chemistry once a week in my 10g, then do some water change and top ups.
Just my habits...
 
Nor sure about the 'should' part of the question.
I just recently started up a second SW tank, and between two startups, I have yet to see an ammonia spike. I'm not saying it didn't happen, just that within a 4-6 week period for each tank, the levels only climbed a hair.
As long as you haven't put any livestock in yet, don't stress over the chemistry till after a few weeks. I'm down to testing chemistry once a week in my 10g, then do some water change and top ups.
Just my habits...
Thanks for the response. I won't worry about it then as long as the chemistry of the water is in range :)

Can't wait till I get back and see how it's really bloomed in the 1.5 weeks I'm away. My father inlaw has been instructed to top up the water no ATO here yet.
 
First Time Saltwater LR LF setup

I'm back, tank looks awesome, faint specs of some purple coralline showing already on one piece of rock, rest of the rock is very much covered in good bio.

Weird thing is all my levels are fine.... I guess I missed the ammonia / nitrite / nitrate spikes as my test this morning showed 0s across the board, ph was in check, salinity is at 1.026-27, little high but I'll be doing a change over this weekend as my stand is being installed tomorrow.

Should I start introducing some snails into the fuge?

Also ordered my dry rock should be here next week, it'll give the display tank a few days to get the water perimeters in check then I'll start stocking it.

Pics coming this weekend.
 
Welcome back. Good vacation?
I think the general idea is to add the snails [cleanup crew] when you start to see the diatom [brown algae]bloom begin. In the mean time, remember that you need to be adding some kind of nutrient to the tank to keep your bacteria population up. Some people use dead shrimp, but that can add nasty things that you don't want [heavy metals]. Some use fish food in the aproximate amount you will be feeding the fish later. Some people will just go straight to the source and add a certain kind of ammonia to the tank. This method seems the most labor intensive, because you need to test constantly. It also seems to be the most "pure" way to add food for the bacteria without adding other undesirable pollution to your system. Go snoop on what the experts have to say on beginning the cycle.
Daniel :wildone:
 
really nice documentation on your build so far, lots of potential as your tank progresses and matures
 
First Time Saltwater LR LF setup

Great vacation :). I put in some raw shrimp to help jump start further. Added in 6 turbo snails for now (3 will be transferred to DT) cause I had quite a bit of brown detritus in the fuge. I received these pictures from my millworker couple days ago. Thought I'd share them with you guys as a teaser :D

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Bottom pic will have a stainless steel band around it as a finish, you can see in the first pic they contoured the case to the tank and the espresso stained maple wood, in the end it'll be about 6" higher with the base and divider trim :). This unit is free standing and really heavy duty. The tank will be recessed into the stand so all you see is the front glass and finishes. No rough edges :)

Snails enjoying the fuge.

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Almost there. Good to hear from you Dan. Bit of interesting info, I tested some ocean water right near the major established reefs in Turks & Caicos, the water temps fluctuated between 72-88F depending how deep we went, and the salinity was 1.030. I didn't have my chem kit so I couldn't test the other parameters.

Just some food for thought that even though the water chemistry is a delicate process there is room for give and take it isn't an exact science.

*EDIT*. Thanks for the kind words cpt. I wanted you guys to experience this as I built it and hopefully show others who are first timers that it isn't all that scary or difficult :)
 
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I agree, for those out there that find this thread it will be a good learning experience, from the setup of the system to each initial stage of building an ecosystems. very well done.

I should have taken the time to document my more completely.

I look forward to the progression of this tank
 
I hear from various aquatic magazines that unless you're in a place with nasty stuff like runoff, things like nitrate will almost always test at zero. It's interesting to see the temp swings and salinity level so high. January in Curacao for us it was only between 78-75 degrees. How many dives did you get in?:cool:
What will you be feeding your fish? I just made a bunch of cubes to freeze made from various frozen meaty stuff as well as herbivore type stuff. With garlic juice as the secret ingredient. figured it would save me some time and effort just to "thaw and dump". :thumbsup:
Daniel :wildone:
 
I haven't figured out what / how I'll be administering the food yet, was going to wait until I know exactly what fish and sps' I'll need to feed, and what they like to eat.

Got in 2 dives :) I'm on my way to being PADI certified, guess I'll need to start collecting dive gear :)

Turks & Caicos was amazing, if you haven't been, I highly recommend it! Ocean was crystal clear all the time.
 
So you're still doing work for your certification? Or were these two of your check out dives. I think you just need the essentials. You can rent the other things you need easily enough. I think I have 34 dives so far... Going somewhere famous for shore diving and traveling with a dive shop, the dives can add up fast....I'll probably go their someday, but I really got into scuba for the diversity only found in the pacific. That's what got me into reef tanks initially, the option to have any fish you want in the tank as long as it fits and will not eat its tankmates.... Something similar for you?
Daniel :wildone:
 
Still working on certification. Been putting it off actually since it's so bloody cold here and our local water holes are all murky and not really what you want to dive in. Yet I still make it a point to dive 1-3 times in each exotic place I visit.

I've done around 10 dive in places like Punta Cana - Dominican Republic, Jamaica, Mexico, and now Turks and Caicos. I want to hit up Greenland eventually and see the famous gap between the two tectonic plates.

Diving is the entire reason why I got into this hobby, seeing live reefs up close is cool in the ocean, figured why not bring a little piece of that into my home.
 
UPDATE TIME: Here we go!!!

Before I get to the good stuff (cabinet, yes it's finally installed :D:D) upon the return from my trip I started playing around with the overflow design, needless to say I'm chalking it up as a failed experiment, I'm sure I could have eventually made it work but frankly, I didn't want to deal with it anymore.

So I bit the bullet and purchased an Eshopps PF-1000 (900GPH) dual 1" HOB overflow box. I glued my 1" piping into the bottom of the bulkheads to make it leak resistant, and replaced the 1" pvc standpipes that came with the unit (they were loose) with a nice snugly fit 1" PVC 40 pipe that were cut 1/4" higher (more water).

I also decided to split my return line to further create some movement within the tank, I used 45degree elbows and 1" pvc, glued it all together, leaving the 90 in the tank loose so I can redirect the water flow, and painted it all black. The following pics were taken after the piping was submerged in water for 72 hours to leech any paint gasses and bad chemicals off it. Used Krylon fusion to paint the PVC.

Overflow box & return lines hanging on display tank. Back of the tank, none of this will be visible.
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View from the pipes & overflow from the front in the tank.
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Overflow piping being glued in, bottom overflow shows the final length once all the adapters are threaded in this was so I can attach flexible pipe to the barb fitting be able to remove it (all this will be located in the lower portion of the cabinet). All threaded fittings were PVC glued then quickly threaded together, I couldn't find any barbed to pvc pipe connectors so this was the next best bet, it should never come apart.
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HERE YOU GO! My cabinet, finally installed and standing, this is showing the tank in place (don't mind the cord, it isn't there anymore), it's built out of plywood with a stained maple veneer and solid maple doors, all the doors are piano hinged together so the entire unit can be opened up for total access.
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Inside the cabinet, as you can see it's all open, no intruding legs or anything, this cabinet really was built with expandability in mind. The two galvanized supports you see are rated up to 600+lbs, the entire unit was designed to be supported from the two sides and back transferring the weight down to the floor, the cabinet sits on 6 adjustable legs also rated for the weight.

I wanted the cabinet to be entirely self sustaining, I don't want to see webs of wires behind it running to an outlet, so with the direction of an electrician friend of mine, I installed 2 PVC receptacles that run back to a wall receptacle outside the cabinet. One wire is better than 8 :D. I also mounted two power bars which will run all the equipment and allow for expandability.
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Test fitting the overflow and return. These will be accessible from the sides and top of the tank.
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And finally, a picture of the top and bottom plumbed, wired, and ready to go. I made a rookie (and possibly sleep deprived) mistake, I overtightened one receptacle cover, sure enough, SNAP. Ohh well a $1.25 mistake.

As you can see all the flex hose is plumbed and ready for the sump to be transferred into place. I need to pick up some rigid insulation to place below the sump still to help keep all noise to a minimum, I should have the Display Tank up and running by this weekend with my aquascaping done
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My order of rocks and chemical should arrive by this Friday. It's nice to hit this milestone as the next one is when it really gets interesting, seeing the tank cycle, adding in livestock/sps corals, and finally enjoying the fruits of my labour.

Hope you guys like it, my wife and I do!
 
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