Fish die within 24 hours!!!

[CoralolisEffect]

Fish die within 24 hours!!!

Found the white bucket issue hehe

 

[nitr8]

Really don't think it a part of your issue as you parameters seem very similar. But if lfs acclimation is a couple oz and qt a couple gallons if drip rates are similar you may not be getting enough drip volume for a acclimate. But only a issue if your ph / temp is way different as salinity sounds equal. Even though many have success with little if no acclimation. You sound so careful. I remember reading a 3:1 ratio some where over the acc time. Just a though, although unlikely.

I know salinity and temp were matched between QT and DT. Not sure about pH though. You may be on to something with the water volume and drip rates. Makes sense.

 

[nitr8]

Found the white bucket issue hehe

lol That is the bucket I was talking about. Am I not supposed to let my son acclimate with the fish?

 

[BoricuaMojao]

Found the white bucket issue hehe

damn! it was staring right at us all this time!

 

[Lilmatty5dimes]

Found the white bucket issue hehe

wow. good eye. lol cute picture.

lol That is the bucket I was talking about. Am I not supposed to let my son acclimate with the fish?

lol. makes me wonder if something was truly in the bucket that would case harm to the fish.

 

[nitr8]

I keep a semi detailed tracker of all additions to my tank. I don't want to persuade opinions of LFS so I'll just number them.

7/19: Green Chromis, LFS #1, Alive
7/19: Green Chromis, LFS #1, Died within a week
7/27: Cleaner Shrimp, LFS #1, Alive
7/28: Blood Shrimp, LFS #2, Alive
7/28: Porcelain Crab, LFS #2, Death by powerhead
8/2: Yasha Goby, LFS #3, Alive
8/2: Peppermint Shrimp, LFS #3, Alive
8/2: Randalls Pistol Shrimp , LFS #4, Alive
8/3: Red Harlequin Serpent SF, LFS #5, Alive
8/6: Porcelain Crab, LFS #2, Alive
8/6: Porcelain Crab, LFS #1, Alive
8/7: Black and White Harlequin Serpent SF, LFS #6, Alive
8/12: Royal Gramma, LFS #7, Dead within 24 hours
8/17: Lawnmower Blenny, LFS #1, Kept for a few weeks, sudden death
8/29: Porcelain Crab, LFS #2, Alive
8/29: Sexy Shrimp, LFS #2, MIA as of 11/21 (just noticed I haven't seen him in a while)
8/29: Bangaii Cardinal, LFS #1, Alive
9/5: Orange Spot Blenny, LFS #5, Kept for a few weeks, sudden death
9/7: Wyoming White Ocellaris, LFS #1, Died within 24 hours
9/7: B & W Ocellaris, LFS #1, Died within 24 hours
9/7: Royal Gramma, LFS #1, Died within 24 hours
9/20: Royal Gramma, LFS #1, Died within 24 hours
9/20: Sunburst Anthias, LFS #1, Died within 24 hours
9/25: Sunburst Anthias, LFS #1, Died within a week
9/28: Yellow Tang, LFS #1, Alive
10/1: Red Tuxedo Urchin, LFS #8, Alive
10/18: Cherry Serpent SF, LFS #9, Alive
10/29: Blue Spot Jawfish, LFS #10, Lived in QT for 3 weeks, died in DT within 24 hours
10/30: Serpent SF, LFS #2, Alive
10/30: Red Mandarin Dragonet, LFS #1, Alive
11/1: Dracula Goby, LiveAquaria DD, Jumper
11/10: Wyoming White Ocellaris, LFS #1, Died with 24 hours in QT
11/10: ORA Black Snowflake Ocellaris, LFS #1, Lived in QT for about a week, died in DT within 24 hours

 

[KnownStrangeR]

I don't think so. I've been having this issue for a lot longer.

I meant it's strange the corals acclimate very well but the fish don;t. This bucket thing sounds like a pretty legit factor. Would be great if it really were that simple of a solution.

 

[nitr8]

I meant it's strange the corals acclimate very well but the fish don;t. This bucket thing sounds like a pretty legit factor. Would be great if it really were that simple of a solution.

I just finished acclimating/dipping a few more corals and noticed that I use the same white bucket. I dip with a generous amount of Interceptor, inspect each piece and pick off any undesirables, back in the bucket for an Iodine dip. I use enough Iodine (Betadine and Lugols mix) to lightly tint the water column. I'm certain any remnants of Interceptor isn't hurting the fish during acclimation but I'm not sure about the Iodine. Any ideas?

 

[BoricuaMojao]

I just finished acclimating/dipping a few more corals and noticed that I use the same white bucket. I dip with a generous amount of Interceptor, inspect each piece and pick off any undesirables, back in the bucket for an Iodine dip. I use enough Iodine (Betadine and Lugols mix) to lightly tint the water column. I'm certain any remnants of Interceptor isn't hurting the fish during acclimation but I'm not sure about the Iodine. Any ideas?

The active ingredient in interceptor is Milbemycin oxime. According to the MSDS it is highly toxic to aquatic organisms.

It is obviously dose related because I have read here of people using it in the DT with fish with no issue. You say you use a generous amount of it; the first MSDS lists an LC50 of 0.059 ppm for the common carp.

ah.novartis.com.au/verve/_resources/Milbemax_Small_Cats_MSDS.pdf

datasheets.scbt.com/sc-362030.pdf

 

[discocarp]

Interceptor is used for in tank treatments of red bugs though. I've never heard of fish problems with it, just shrimp and crabs. He isn't even using the interceptor on the fish, just the same bucket.

I'd still start using a new bucket because its a super easy change to make.

 

[nitr8]

Interceptor is used for in tank treatments of red bugs though. I've never heard of fish problems with it, just shrimp and crabs. He isn't even using the interceptor on the fish, just the same bucket.

I'd still start using a new bucket because its a super easy change to make.

Agreed.

 

[KnownStrangeR]

So when is the next fish being acclimated ?! Excited to see results

 

[nitr8]

So when is the next fish being acclimated ?! Excited to see results

I'm going to do a 3 month fallow in an attempt to rule out parasites/disease. (Don't hold your breath)

I also went to the store yesterday that most of the dead fish came from and spoke with one of the employees about my issue. He offered no real help but one of the customers over heard, pulled me aside and told me never to buy fish from them. Apparently he has had the same problem from store X as well as a few other people that he knows.

So far, here is my plan:

1.) 3 month fallow
2.) Pitch white bucket
3.) Do not buy fish from store X
4.) longer drip acclimation
5.) Attempt to remove both pistol shrimps

Also, I want to say Thank You to all that have helped me in my time of need. You all have been very helpful and hopefully by employing suggested avenues I can succeed.

 

[discocarp]

I think that's an excellent plan. Your patience will pay off. Feed your corals a bit extra while you're fishless.

 

[nitr8]

I think that's an excellent plan. Your patience will pay off. Feed your corals a bit extra while you're fishless.

I still have 5 fish in the tank. I just won't be adding anymore.

 

[KnownStrangeR]

Will the tank be able to rid itself of parasite if existing fish are still there as a host?

 

[discocarp]

Ah I misunderstood then. Matt is right, that's not going fallow. That won't rule out a parasite/disease.

 

[nitr8]

Ah I misunderstood then. Matt is right, that's not going fallow. That won't rule out a parasite/disease.

I guess I was thinking since the fish are still alive they are not hosts. If they are, wouldn't they die like the others?

 

[discocarp]

No. They can be resistant carriers, at least with some.

 

[nitr8]

No. They can be resistant carriers, at least with some.

So should I QT all of my fish for three months? Is there some kind if catch all treatment since we don't know what I'm dealing with?