Fish disease, any diagnosis and treatment? Pics included

[da1jewfish]

I posted this in the disease forum as well, but want to get some local advise if possible. I bought the recent additions from a store which will go nameless.

I added a couple of angels about a week ago. When I release them into the aquarium I noticed they were covered in ich. They obviously died with in a day and a half.

Anyways 2 days ago I added a beautiful radiata lion and a blue angel, both fish about 3"-4". The blue was doing somersaults this morning and is now dead. The lion is covered in this mucus (looks like a fungus). My female maroon has stopped eating and has a milder version of the lion with white feces. My royal gramma is not eating and has white feces and is sitting in the corner.

I have been trying to figure out exactly what it is, but am having diagnosis problems. Here are the pics, any help is appreciated.

 

[nivram]

This was sent to me in a recent post I made. Hopefully it might help you diagnose the issue.

http://www.liveaquaria.com/PIC/article.cfm?aid=202

 

[fishkiller28]

the only one with that mucus is the lion? looks like ich.....

 

[jdhuyvetter]

What are your water parameters?

 

[da1jewfish]

The large maroon does as well, but not as bad. he maroons is more like ich, but the maroon as well as the gramma has white stingy feces and those fish aren't eating.
I have a few others, which they are good.





Nitrates are 40, 0 ammonia, 0 nitrite, 1.024 salinity, temp 79, 0 stray voltage, pH 8.1

 

[Ludwigia73]

pimafix did wonders for my maroon, I could swear he was about to die... didn't eat for almost a month, now healthy as a horse.... might as well get rid of the skimmer as long as you're using it, though.

 

[da1jewfish]

Lion fish pronounced dead at 6:05pm.

I am probably going to use either melafix or pimafix but I'm not even sure she's going to make it through the night.

 

[clockwurk]

Whenever possible, I try having a sixline or cleaner shrimps in tanks. They will at times eat eat parasites like ich and help with the maintenance and prevention. I also try to feed with garlic. I initially had problems with ich when started the hobby, but never saw it since after doing the above.

Also, I know it's a pain in the a$$ but setting up a hospital or Qt tank is really essential. I'm the least patient person in the world but it's an essential trait for this hobby to keeps a sucessful tank. IMHO

 

[ReefWreak]

That looks/sounds like brooklynella(sp?) to me, which is an infection that causes excessive mucous build up, usually in the gills, but can spread to the rest of the fish. I have a friend that lost most of her tank to it recently, from 2 chromis she picked up at an LFS. The chromis succumbed to it, then 80% of her fish died as well.

We really need to start QTing our stuff, especially with all of these fish diseases coming in as of recently. (I doubt that these diseases are a recent development, but I've got an idea of why they're becoming more known now, but that's another discussion)

 

[ReefWreak]

http://www.wetwebmedia.com/ca/volume_6/volume_6_1/brooklynella.htm

 

[mrx66699]

Re: Fish disease, any diagnosis and treatment? Pics included

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15585020#post15585020 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by da1jewfish
I posted this in the disease forum as well, but want to get some local advise if possible. I bought the recent additions from a store which will go nameless.

I added a couple of angels about a week ago. When I release them into the aquarium I noticed they were covered in ich. They obviously died with in a day and a half.

Anyways 2 days ago I added a beautiful radiata lion and a blue angel, both fish about 3"-4". The blue was doing somersaults this morning and is now dead. The lion is covered in this mucus (looks like a fungus). My female maroon has stopped eating and has a milder version of the lion with white feces. My royal gramma is not eating and has white feces and is sitting in the corner.

I have been trying to figure out exactly what it is, but am having diagnosis problems. Here are the pics, any help is appreciated.



I have just one question. You say you had two fish die from ich and then less than a week later you put in two more fish ....... am I thinking along the wrong track here but why were you putting more fish in right after you just lost two?

and I would have to agree with Eric on the diagnosis

 

[nismo_32]

definitely brooklynella.....

 

[Ludwigia73]

Hey, by the way, wish I'd thought of this earlier... one of the best ich predators I've seen so far is blue sharknose gobies, or neon gobies. I put 2 in my tank a long time ago with a yellow tang that was prone to ich, they settled on the rock, looked around for about 2 minutes, and 1 swam right over to the yellow tang and started cleaning it. The other followed suit in about 3 more minutes. The yellow just lay there and let it happen. An hour later, not a speck, and never returned!

 

[da1jewfish]

ok, thanks for all the suggestions. what do you all normally treat with for brooklynella? I have been doing research and brooklynella is actually a parasite (never would have thought that), they recommend hypo. So I started hypo for the clown, but she does not look good. Salinity is now at 1.015 in QT

 

[da1jewfish]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15599460#post15599460 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Ludwigia73
Hey, by the way, wish I'd thought of this earlier... one of the best ich predators I've seen so far is blue sharknose gobies, or neon gobies. I put 2 in my tank a long time ago with a yellow tang that was prone to ich, they settled on the rock, looked around for about 2 minutes, and 1 swam right over to the yellow tang and started cleaning it. The other followed suit in about 3 more minutes. The yellow just lay there and let it happen. An hour later, not a speck, and never returned!

I have heard about it, but from what I understand it has never been proven scientifically at least for cleaner shrimps... but science can get in the way sometimes, so its worth a try.

 

[ReefWreak]

I wouldn't ever expect a cleaner symbiot to actually be able to rid a tank of parasites. The only thing I believe that half-way happens in tanks is that the parasites run out of genetic material over a number of replicating generations and therefore die out, or the fishes become immune to them if they're in good health to begin with and continue eating normally. I've seen my cleaner shrimp pick off of my fish now and again, and absolutely love watching this behavior, however I don't rely on it to cure my fishes of illness, mostly because I know that they can only do so much, and cannot get to the internal or smaller of parasites.