Fish list: Give me your opinions please

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7557626#post7557626 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by gordob
So, everyone thinks a Leopard Wrasse is a bad addition to a 40-45 gallon hex reef tank, is that correct? If it is a matter of it jumping out, I can solve that with some mesh or something, but if there are other reasons, I'll definitely re-think this.

This is exactly why I hate it when people use the word "wrasse" There are tens of thousands of species of wrasses. Its generally an issue with fairy wrasses jumping, but i've never heard of a leapord wrasse jumping.

Mine doesnt go far enough away from the rocks that I think he'd be an issue.

If you're going to talk about wrasses, and things they do, use the genus, or the species. Macropharangydons are not jumpers, and they are perfectly reef safe. If you can get a healthy one, theyre about the best reef fishes you can get.

I woudlnt keep them with maroons though, the maroons are too aggressive, the leapords too timid. Bad combination.


edit:angelfish,
I disagree that occelaris spend less time in their host than maroons. Mine may not be the typical experience, becaues my anemone is 18"+, but my occellaris are seldom even visible.
 
I believe that Leopord Wrasses are similar to mandarins in their requirements. I think most need a lot of LR to forage for food. They will also need a deeper sand bed, since I believe that's where they sleep. I think they're are a awesome fish, just believe that they're one of the more difficult ones to keep. Also, I don't believe they're jumpers. This is not from experience, just from hearsay.

I agree with adding the Flame Hawk last. I had a Longnose Hawk, great fish, but managed to jump out. I don't know if Flame Hawks are prone to jump. May want to check up on this.

Clowns - I have had a pair of Ocellarius Clowns for over 2 years and the female (largest) is only 3 - 4". They get along with everybody. And I also heard that the Maroon's are nasty and get big. My Ocellarius lay eggs every couple of weeks. I would recommend getting captive breed clowns. I had wild ones in the begining and they didn't last long and my tank breed over 2 years.

Hope this helps a little.
 
Leopards are a ton more likely to eat prepared food than mandarins. They also really dont need that much sand..maybe 2"
 
I disagree that occelaris spend less time in their host than maroons. Mine may not be the typical experience, becaues my anemone is 18"+, but my oscellaris are seldom even visible.
Mine are tank raised and swim all over the tank. It's actually embarrassing to the other fish who have been heard to observe that those silly clowns would surely be picked off as quick snacks in the wild.

Seriously, I have always assumed that over years of breeding they have just "lost" their instinct & that otherwise they'd stick close to their anemone -- but I don't really know
 
Angelfish, mine are tank raised too.

I think a lot of people just have anemones that arent nearly large enough to be a proper host.
 
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My clowns all hosty
 
Rich, I didn't mean to imply that just because a clown is tank raised that he necessarily is without proper instinct, just that perhaps that may be the case with mine. :D

FWIW, my BTA is about 6 in across and while the clowns do hang out in it a lot they also swim all over the tank for different activities (like interacting with the glass reflection clowns, joining feeding frenzies, & explaining to the little perc clown that he will not be joining them on the anemone)

I don't know how oscellaris behave in the wild, but I would think they'd get eaten if they acted this way - maybe if these were placed in the ocean they'd have a whole new set of behaviors?

When I had maroons, treating the anemones, regardless of size, as a refuge was very serious business-- you could see them "look both ways" before leaving it (or them). If they left the anemone for some short dash & return, there'd be plenty of anemone wiggling once back on it - like "Oh I'm so glad to be back, my beloved anemone!" LOL

Once during a tank upgrade I couldn't shew (sp?) the female maroon off it so I decided to move the anemone rock first instead -- she came out of the tank on the anemone! She just laid on it on her side out of the water while I moved it to the bucket & then to the new tank.

I just don't see anything even close to this with the oscellaris. Maybe they'd treat a natural host differently? Yours looks more like a natural host, BTW - nice photo!

Anyway, Rich are you saying that your oscellaris act like my maroons did? Or that your anemone is big enough that it contains the natural range of the your clowns?

Confooseld -
That's not how instincts work
From your post it's hard to be sure exactly what you're referring to.... What I was saying is that there is nothing in tank breeding of oscellaris to naturally select for survival of only fish who cling to anemones. Obviously I have not done any genetic research on clowns to determine if some are born with or without such a gene.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7566060#post7566060 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Angel*Fish

Anyway, Rich are you saying that your oscellaris act like my maroons did? Or that your anemone is big enough that it contains the natural range of the your clowns?
I think a little of both. They come out for food, but not much else. Honestly, most of the time I'm not sure I even still have 2 of them left. Occasionally I'll see both of them.

Anemone hosting may not be all instinct, part of it may be learned behavior (and if you're born in an anemone, you'd figure it out quick).

Mine didnt always host like this, they did the typical hang around near it, its only after they started spawning that they started living way up in the anemone.

FWIW, in the wild, Sebaes (heteractic crispa) host about 15 species of clown. The only one that I know of that hosts in BTAs are Maroons (although I'm most likely wrong on that)
 
as to genetics, Angel, throughout millions of years, clowns have been selected for "clingy to anemoneness." I doubt theres even a non clingy gene left.
 
Mine didnt always host like this, they did the typical hang around near it, its only after they started spawning that they started living way up in the anemone.
This may be the key to turning on the "anemone glue" - I am new to oscellaris clowns & maybe posted my initial comment about oscellaris without enough info. But it wasn't for lack of trying -- I started 2 new threads in the clownfish forum asking about this very thing & never got even 1 response on either one of them.

Sorry Brad if I said anything misleading - though I still stand by my position that oscellaris would cause less trauma to the toadstools - just based on size & wiggle action alone :o

I doubt theres even a non clingy gene left.
Well I have my doubts, too - but if oscellaris don't get seriously anemone clingy until they become the spawning pair - there may be a "use' for some to become snacks. Maybe it can help protect the spawning pair (don't 'attack" ----just speculation :D )
 
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